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  • Go Packers!
    Senior Member
    • May 2009
    • 578

    FAL Problems

    I recently purchased a home built metric FAL SA58. It has a DSA upper receiver on an Imbel kit. The seller said he had it headspaced by a gunsmith. I took it to the range over the weekend for the first time. I shot 50 rounds of Magtech ammo.
    approx. 30 spent cases ejected about 12 feet in a 1 or 2 o'clock direction.
    approx. 15 spent cases flopped 4-12 inches in a 3 to 4 o'clock direction.
    1 spent casing came directly back and bounced off the top of my head.
    1 spent casing was left on the magazine follower facing the correct direction.
    1 spent casing flopped over and was on the magazine follower facing the wrong way.
    1 spent casing remained in the chamber and was stuck. (The bolt did come back and could move freely, but it did not extract the spent casing. I resorted to tapping the spent casing out of the chamber successfully from the muzzle end with a cleaning rod.)
    The rim of the cases where the extractor pulled was peeled back on most of the cases.

    Most of the rounds I shot were loaded 1 round at a time. I have a case of Magtech, so I would like to make it work consistently with this ammo. This is my first FAL, and I know next to nothing about them. Since my range trip, I did some research on this topic and found some helpful info about the gas setting and starting with 7 and working your way down until it cycles properly and then setting it with two more clicks. I checked my gas setting, and the previous owner had it set about two thirds of the way closed. There are no numbers on mine, but it is probably between 2 and 3. I signed up with the forum Falfiles.com, but I am waiting for approval to post, which apparently takes about a week or more to process. It seems like it is getting lots of gas. Does it need more? Does it have too much gas? Extractor issues? Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
    Last edited by Go Packers!; 02-18-2013, 3:33 PM. Reason: clarity
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    Holescreek
    Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 242

    Check the extractor to ensure there is no damage to the hook and that it is moving consistantly. The extractor is a real PITA to remove without tools specifically for that job so if you try it, be careful.

    If all started out well and got worse as shooting progressed, check for carbon build up. If it was random, check the extractor.

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    • #3
      Go Packers!
      Senior Member
      • May 2009
      • 578

      Originally posted by Holescreek
      Check the extractor to ensure there is no damage to the hook and that it is moving consistantly. The extractor is a real PITA to remove without tools specifically for that job so if you try it, be careful.

      If all started out well and got worse as shooting progressed, check for carbon build up. If it was random, check the extractor.
      It was random. What kind of movement should the extractor have if it is in good working condition?
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      If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why are they made of meat? -Joe Getty, Armstrong & Getty radio show

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      • #4
        hellayella
        Calguns Addict
        • Sep 2012
        • 5578

        where u at PM me

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        • #5
          kcstott
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Nov 2011
          • 11796

          Betcha the ejector needs some massaging.

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          • #6
            bigguns85
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 1127

            your gun is just on her period. lol jk how much did you buy it for?
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            • #7
              Go Packers!
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 578

              $800, just after the craziness began. I feel this was a good deal even if it were before the craziness began.

              I checked the extractor. It certainly isn't new. The extractor appears to be in the kind of shape I would expect would be a fine working condition. With a bit of pressure, it does rock outward/ back a bit and returns to its original position afterwards.
              Last edited by Go Packers!; 02-21-2013, 8:00 PM.
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              If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why are they made of meat? -Joe Getty, Armstrong & Getty radio show

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              • #8
                Carsgunsandchics
                Veteran Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 3537

                Originally posted by Go Packers!
                Most of the rounds I shot were loaded 1 round at a time. I have a case of Magtech, so I would like to make it work consistently with this ammo.
                Are you loading 1 into the mag or just dropping it into the chamber?
                Originally posted by fighterpilot562
                I am more of a sucker than a blower...

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                • #9
                  Go Packers!
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 578

                  Originally posted by Carsgunsandchics
                  Are you loading 1 into the mag or just dropping it into the chamber?
                  I am top feeding it into the magazine with the bolt locked to the rear. The magazine is locked in the firearm with a set screw to make it non-detachable for CA compliance.
                  The dirty little secret about freedom is, you're on your own. -Clarence Thomas
                  If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why are they made of meat? -Joe Getty, Armstrong & Getty radio show

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                  • #10
                    thedrickel
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 5579

                    Try some quality milsurp.
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                    • #11
                      Discogodfather
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 5516

                      Sounds like an ejector block issue. Did you make sure the ejector is in the right place? If its too close (forward) I have seen damaged rims. There are a series of checks when building to see if it is in the correct position. This is in the central inset of the receiver. It has nothing to do with headspace.

                      I would not fire until you check the headspace though, it's critical on a tilting lock mechanism. FAL's will explode in your face like an AK if it is wrong, it's a bad gun for headspace problems. Headspace on a FAL is determined by 1)Barrel timing, 2)Bolt/carrier fitment.

                      Contact Arizona Response Systems for the best info, he is the FAL expert. The specialty tool to remove the extractor is available from him and DSA. I can take a pic of it if it helps.
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                      • #12
                        JohnBrian
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 1204

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