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  • shortround13
    Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 253

    flat bending, any suggestions? *updated*

    *update* (if anybody cares)
    some trial and error, a few beers, some late nights, a sad girlfriend and finally....some success. made some tweeks to the jig, with the help of a bent flat from a build party to make some fine tune adjustments.....oh, and caved in and bought a press. makes life so much easier.
    the premise is the same. angle iron to make the bending portion of the jig, and 2 pieces of bar stock to sandwich the flat. used a friend's mill to make some grooves on the top portion to slide in around the mag well bumps and drilled 2 sets of locator holes in the mag well. the forward most set is for ak47 flats and the rear set is for ak74 flats. with another hole where the rear trigger guard rivet goes. just set the flat on the bottom piece, throw in the drill bits and line it up, slide on the top bar over the drill bits, clamp down on the ends with bolts, lube 'er up and press it in.
    can you tell which flat was done with a purchased jig and which was done with mine?

    so, I don't have access to a press and am trying to do this as much DIY as possible. I built a jig, kind of a cross between the 'grasshopper' jig and something that you would use in a press, but the idea was to use the bolt pull through method.
    was testing it this morning and sheared off a bolt on one end. it appeared to be going in ok, a little resistance, but one side as you can see in the pictures was going down farther then the other, which is when the bolt sheared off.
    I lubed it with moly grease. was alternating which bolts I was tightening.
    My first thought is the obvious, the bolt was not strong enough. I was having trouble finding a real good strong bolt long enough. the heavy duty bolts weren't all thread, so they wouldn't have given me enough tightening distance. its a 5/16 about 3" long. any suggestions where to find one?
    did I not use enough lube?
    any ideas....thanks.
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    Last edited by shortround13; 05-10-2013, 12:42 AM. Reason: update
  • #2
    baih777
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Jul 2011
    • 5680

    its alot easier to buy the correct flat from akbuilder.com
    ak receiver, ak 47 receiver, ak47 receiver, underfolder receiver, ak74 receiver


    and join a build party to get the flat bent correctly. to build a AK you need to bend the flat correctly. that is the key to building a straight AK.
    Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
    I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
    I'm Back.

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    • #3
      shortround13
      Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 253

      I have a flat from ak builder. That was just a piece of scrap sheet metal of similar size and gauge for test purposes

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      • #4
        Alex$
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 1233

        What is the measurement (inside) of your angle iron? It looks like the same dimension of your die.

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        • #5
          paratroop
          Senior Member
          • May 2009
          • 1743

          That looks similar to the rig I set up, but yours is way more heavy duty than the one I built. It should work fine as long as you have the correct clearance between the angle iron sides. Mine had some give to it, and I made some crooked, twisted recievers. I still got them to work fine though. Yours shouldn't have that problem. Maybe once you get it started,(before snapping off a bolt) Use a hammer and punch to "impact" it in a little at a time, as well as tightening up the bolts.Once it gets past a certain point, it will start to bend much easier.
          Originally posted by Marcus von W.
          Is that banjo music I hear?
          "Sporter" is what the drooling toothless inbred albino with the hacksaw thinks his newly created "dear riffel" is.
          "Bubba" is what he and his ugly and ruined rifle really are.
          First you are chopping up historic vintage rifles and sticking them in cheap and nasty looking plastic "dildo" stocks that look like some kind of futuristic sex toy that gay space aliens stick up each other's butts.
          Next thing you know, you think "Deliverance" is a love story.

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          • #6
            shortround13
            Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 253

            so, I was aiming for a finished inside dimension of 1.25 inches (31.75mm) inside my receiver.
            My flat bar stock is 1.25"
            the distance between angle iron sides is 1.25" (31.75) plus 1.03mm multiplied by two (to give me the thickness of my receiver flat) for a total of 33.81 with the possibility for a little variation but its pretty dang close, erring on the wide side.

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            • #7
              shortround13
              Member
              • Feb 2013
              • 253

              well...funny, but going neanderthal with a hammer, seemed to help. Albeit I continued where I left off from earlier, but that seemed to help seat it in the die and then I was able to tighten it down with no problems. The only thing I am going to change is to add some countersunk holes for the bolt heads that are sandwiching the flat together, to give it just another 1/4" or so to go down in the die.
              I still need to mill out a relief cut in the side of the inside flat stock so that it will allow room for the mag dimples, but I think its ready to go.
              I realize its a ****ty piece of sheet metal but it stuck out at the ends, which the flat won't do, and the flat is in better shape to start.
              Thanks for the ideas.

              "That looks similar to the rig I set up, but yours is way more heavy duty than the one I built."-paratroop
              yea...I'd read a few posts about similar design with smaller dimension angle iron/bar stock and that it may bend...so I beefed it up. maybe a little over kill? oh well. if it looks like mine starts bending too I'm just going to throw a c-clamp around the outside.
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              • #8
                five.five-six
                CGN Contributor
                • May 2006
                • 34877

                You can't build an AK without a sledge hammer (AKA universal AK tool).

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                • #9
                  kcstott
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 11796

                  Lube your nuts
                  trust me it will help.

                  And the piece of sheet metal you used may not be a good indication of how your die will function with a flat. That steel may not be annealed like the flats are.
                  Last edited by kcstott; 05-10-2013, 6:20 AM.

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                  • #10
                    nicoroshi
                    www.Buildyourownak.info
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 3696

                    Location?
                    I am sure someone local to you wouldn't mind letting you use their AK builder jig to bend your flat if you asked.
                    I understand the feeling of wanting to DIY but sometimes a simple question/ request with your location will yield an easy, quick way to a perfectly bent flat.

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                    • #11
                      NorCalDustin
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 1463

                      You can also bend a flat with a bucking bar & a big hammer...
                      Originally posted by BannedinBritain
                      The only dumb question is the one you don't ask...and get arrested for later.

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                      • #12
                        shortround13
                        Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 253

                        I'm in the East Bay. If there's anybody that wants to lend a flat bender I'd be open, but I'm also willing to try and see how this comes out.
                        Nico, I will be contacting you for sure about populating the barrel though.

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                        • #13
                          Hoagiem
                          Member
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 201

                          I may be wrong but it looks like you are using stainless steel hardware for the pulling bolts and nuts. Get some grade 5 or grade 8 hardware and some flat washers for the torque bolts and nuts. Grease the washers, both sides and then grease the bolts and nuts. Apply a layer of grease to the outside of the sheet metal and it should just glide right in. The standard bolts and nuts at the hardware store are crap, look for the gold colored ones and look at the head stamp on the bolts. Grade 8 would be best but grade 5 should work just fine, just make sure that any friction surface has plenty of grease on it, white lithium or axle grease, the lithium is easier to clean off.

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                          • #14
                            Hoagiem
                            Member
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 201

                            Couple more suggestions, you might go with fine thread hardware and get some wet or dry sandpaper and smooth up the inside surface of the angle iron and the top edge so everything is smooth where the metal rubs, let the grease do its job.

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                            • #15
                              shortround13
                              Member
                              • Feb 2013
                              • 253

                              I was having trouble finding grade 8 or 5 bolts that had enough threading on them. I like the idea of the washers and greasing the bolts too. Actually home depot had them (grade 5)....but only had one....weak.
                              I did smooth out the sides of the angle iron up to 800 grit sand paper. Shiny.....
                              Still waiting on my friend to help with milling the relief cuts then I'm ready to try. Will post an update when I do.

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