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  • rbahri5206
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 504

    pump ak47 conversion?

    My brother has one of those pump ak's and he does not want it, can i convert it into a semi auto? just a little back round dont know if it matters but i already have a prebent receiver. also what would it take to convert it if its possible?
  • #2
    chillincody
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 2675

    Originally posted by rbahri5206
    My brother has one of those pump ak's and he does not want it, can i convert it into a semi auto? just a little back round dont know if it matters but i already have a prebent receiver. also what would it take to convert it if its possible?
    sell it and buy a parts kit for your prebent rec.. or sell it and buy a AK lot of people like those pump aks while go and ruin it
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

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    • #3
      SJgunguy24
      I need a LIFE!!
      • May 2008
      • 14849

      Been there, done that. If your heart is set on it then go ahead. It's cheaper to buy a kit and just build one. Just remember you'll need to build a barrel up to get everything to work, nothing on that pump action barrel will work in a semi auto configuration . A new receiver isn't needed.
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      The wise, learn from the mistakes of others.
      The smart, learn from their own mistakes.
      The others, well......they just never learn.

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      • #4
        atsaubrey
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2011
        • 522

        If you want to sell the pump ak I'd be interested.
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        • #5
          ptoguy2002
          Veteran Member
          • Jul 2006
          • 3863

          I've got one of those PAR-1's. Bought it when they were cheap from Big 5 and AK kits were still cheap, thinking I'd semi auto it. Never did, and won't now because the kit is worth more than the rifle. I'm still going to semi it, but don't know how yet. Either a shorter length gas system or put a FAL gas system on it. The problem is the barrel on those pump AK's is awfully thin, I'm afraid it won't hold up in a semi auto.
          IMHO, those pump AKs are border line dangerous. If you ride the pump or are lazy with it going forward, you may not lock the bolt, but it could still fire, as there is no sear or hammer release as there would be on a normal pump gun.
          To answer your question, yes, you can semi auto it. You could probably weld up the hole in the existing gas block (if you are good enough / high pressure), and drill a gas hole. I myself wouldn't do this and would replace the gas block, because I don't like a welded plug like that on high pressure. Otherwise you'd need a new gas block.
          You'd then need a new gas tube and gas piston, weld on a charging handle (or replace the carrier), and do something about the hand guards. Standard hand guard retainer won't fit correctly because of the reduced diameter barrel. There is also a difference between the PAR bolts, and a standard AK bolt. IIRC, one is longer. Never figured out why they did that.
          My 2 cents, it isn't worth it cost wise, unless you get the PAR for dirt cheap to begin with. Even then you'll need some resources to get it done. If you really want to semi auto it, buy a new AK barrel and hardware to go on it.
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          • #6
            6mmintl
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2008
            • 4822

            Im looking for a par-1 to rebarrel (long) for using .308 bullets.

            Let me know if interested in selling.

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            • #7
              rbahri5206
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 504

              any idea where to get the parts?

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              • #8
                SJgunguy24
                I need a LIFE!!
                • May 2008
                • 14849

                When I said been there done that I mean it. I've done the semi conversion. You need to replace everything from the trunnion forward. It all has to go.
                Your basically getting a parts kit and a barrel and rebuilding everything using that receiver.



                Originally posted by ptoguy2002
                I've got one of those PAR-1's. Bought it when they were cheap from Big 5 and AK kits were still cheap, thinking I'd semi auto it. Never did, and won't now because the kit is worth more than the rifle. I'm still going to semi it, but don't know how yet. Either a shorter length gas system or put a FAL gas system on it. The problem is the barrel on those pump AK's is awfully thin, I'm afraid it won't hold up in a semi auto.
                IMHO, those pump AKs are border line dangerous. If you ride the pump or are lazy with it going forward, you may not lock the bolt, but it could still fire, as there is no sear or hammer release as there would be on a normal pump gun.
                To answer your question, yes, you can semi auto it. You could probably weld up the hole in the existing gas block (if you are good enough / high pressure), and drill a gas hole. I myself wouldn't do this and would replace the gas block, because I don't like a welded plug like that on high pressure. Otherwise you'd need a new gas block.
                You'd then need a new gas tube and gas piston, weld on a charging handle (or replace the carrier), and do something about the hand guards. Standard hand guard retainer won't fit correctly because of the reduced diameter barrel. There is also a difference between the PAR bolts, and a standard AK bolt. IIRC, one is longer. Never figured out why they did that.
                My 2 cents, it isn't worth it cost wise, unless you get the PAR for dirt cheap to begin with. Even then you'll need some resources to get it done. If you really want to semi auto it, buy a new AK barrel and hardware to go on it.
                There are 3 kinds of people in this world.
                The wise, learn from the mistakes of others.
                The smart, learn from their own mistakes.
                The others, well......they just never learn.

                "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death!"
                Patrick Henry.

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                • #9
                  BroncoBob
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 6019

                  I have a PAR-1 and really wouldn't think of converting it. Sell it and just buy yourself a AK.
                  Last edited by BroncoBob; 12-17-2012, 2:29 PM.
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                  Originally Posted by ar15barrels
                  Unscrew the lid. There is a foil seal there.
                  Pull the seal off and screw the lid back on.
                  Then you can squeeze the mustard and it will come out of the bottle..

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                  • #10
                    BroncoBob
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 6019

                    I have a PAR-1 and really wouldn't think of converting it. Sell it and just buy yourself a AK.
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                    Originally Posted by ar15barrels
                    Unscrew the lid. There is a foil seal there.
                    Pull the seal off and screw the lid back on.
                    Then you can squeeze the mustard and it will come out of the bottle..

                    Liberals are termites eating at the foundation of our constitution.
                    Michael Reagan

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                    • #11
                      BroncoBob
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 6019

                      I have a PAR-1 and really wouldn't think of converting it. Sell it and just buy yourself a AK.
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                      Originally Posted by ar15barrels
                      Unscrew the lid. There is a foil seal there.
                      Pull the seal off and screw the lid back on.
                      Then you can squeeze the mustard and it will come out of the bottle..

                      Liberals are termites eating at the foundation of our constitution.
                      Michael Reagan

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                      • #12
                        BroncoBob
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 6019

                        I have a PAR-1 and really wouldn't think of converting it. Sell it and just buy yourself a AK.
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                        Originally Posted by ar15barrels
                        Unscrew the lid. There is a foil seal there.
                        Pull the seal off and screw the lid back on.
                        Then you can squeeze the mustard and it will come out of the bottle..

                        Liberals are termites eating at the foundation of our constitution.
                        Michael Reagan

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                        • #13
                          6mmintl
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 4822

                          So, how is the PAR-1 action cycling? any problems with sticky cases/extraction on brass cased ammo?

                          Do they ultilise the stock recoil spring or a lesser tension spring?

                          What doe the front pump handguard ride on underneath the stock? the barrel?

                          Assume the gas rod/tube is the method of pushing bolt back to unlock?

                          Any pics of trunion area/barrel attachment? pins? threaded barrel?

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                          • #14
                            Gowking
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 2664

                            Is it a PAR-1 or PAR-3? If it's a PAR-3 don't mess with it those things are few and far between. I have 3 PAR-1's and 1 PAR-3. If you were so inclined you could weld a plug into the FSB where the hole is and then drill a gas port from below like the way it is done on an AK-74 gas block. you would also have to remove the sling attachment and fill that up. Once you have finished modding the gas block you will need to drill the barrel in the proper location for the gas port. You will also need a new gas tube and bolt carrier.

                            Personally I would sell it and use the $$ to buy a kit. I will say that a PAR rifle won't bring in as much $$ as it really only has value in CA. I think I paid $200 or less for each of mine.

                            -MRA

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