Building a Suomi?

[Varg Vikernes]

Anyone done one? How hard would it be to get CA compliant? Also where to get mags??

[kcstott]

Do a search in this forum. They have been done they have been made Cal legal. with no issues.

[GUNNTZ]

Contact redchevyman or tnw to purchase

[johnyreb]

VERY easy
The only thing you have to do is pin your mag.

Hit up redchevyman for a Kit.

[saki302]

Why the F would you want to pin your mag? The Suomi is featureless BY DESIGN.

-Dave

[sd_shooter]

Why the F would you want to pin your mag? The Suomi is featureless BY DESIGN.

-Dave

I think they're talking about capacity, the standard mag kits must be made to hold 10 rds.

[Varg Vikernes]

Ya, I'd rather not become a felon.

[kcstott]

I think they're talking about capacity, the standard mag kits must be made to hold 10 rds.

It's illegal to "Manufacture" a hi cap mag. It is not illegal to "assemble" one from legally obtained parts.

You need to understand there are legal definitions of "manufacture" and "assemble" that the BATFE has defined and spelled out in US fed code. CALDOJ falls back on those definitions to determine a case.
EDIT
I feel you can assemble all the hi caps you want from legally obtained parts. But with further research and input this seems to be a test of our legal system.
So I retract my opinion above.

[ke6guj]

It's illegal to "Manufacture" a hi cap mag. It is not illegal to "assemble" one from legally obtained parts.

You need to understand there are legal definitions of "manufacture" and "assemble" that the BATFE has defined and spelled out in US fed code. CALDOJ falls back on those definitions to determine a case.

Assemble all the hi caps you want from legally obtained parts.

can you defend this position?

If that is the case, then people could legally assemble large-cap parts kits all day long.

[zfields]

It's illegal to "Manufacture" a hi cap mag. It is not illegal to "assemble" one from legally obtained parts.

You need to understand there are legal definitions of "manufacture" and "assemble" that the BATFE has defined and spelled out in US fed code. CALDOJ falls back on those definitions to determine a case.

Assemble all the hi caps you want from legally obtained parts.

....Please no one listen to this.

[CSACANNONEER]

It's illegal to "Manufacture" a hi cap mag. It is not illegal to "assemble" one from legally obtained parts.

You need to understand there are legal definitions of "manufacture" and "assemble" that the BATFE has defined and spelled out in US fed code. CALDOJ falls back on those definitions to determine a case.

Assemble all the hi caps you want from legally obtained parts.

Interesting interpretation.

[kcstott]

can you defend this position?

If that is the case, then people could legally assemble large-cap parts kits all day long.

Can you site specifically where in the CalPC where it says that assembly is illegal?? because it doesn't. the PC only refers to manufacturing, importation into the state, offering for sale, keeping for sale, exposing for sale,
giving, and lending of a large capacity magazine

Define Manufacture?? As the way the BATFE see's it and as the CAL DOJ see's it.

Ok the BATFE's definition of "manufacture"
Section 921. definitions
(10) The term "manufacturer" means any person engaged in the
business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of
sale or distribution; and the term "licensed manufacturer" means
any such person licensed under the provisions of this chapter.
And again here
Q: Is it legal to assemble a firearm from commercially available parts kits that can be purchased via internet or shotgun news?
For your information, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.

Now based on what we have in letters of clarification on AR lowers and AK flats and blanks. We all know what Manufacture constitutes.

(My interpretation)
Manufacture is the act of machining, stamping, drilling, reaming, of the firearm component that can after machining, stamping, drilling reaming or the part can be readily assemble into a functional firearm.

So based on this we are taking a manufactured component and assembling it into a hi cap magazine. and no where is it listed that assembly is illegal


The CAL DOJ law as copied and pasted from the assault weapons guide.

A large capacity magazine is defined as “any ammunition feeding device with a capacity to accept more than 10
rounds but shall not be construed to include a feeding device that is permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate
more than 10 rounds nor shall it include any .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device (or, effective
January 1, 2002, a tubular magazine contained in a lever-action firearm).” It is important to understand that
a large capacity feeding device may be detachable or fixed, and includes any tube ammunition feeding device
(other than .22 caliber or, effective January 1, 2002, a tubular magazine contained in a lever-action firearm) that
can accommodate more than 10 rounds. A large capacity magazine also includes linked ammunition with more
than 10 rounds linked together or an ammunition belt with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
Possession of large capacity magazines, whether by peace officers or private citizens, is not controlled.
The manufacturing, importation into the state, offering for sale, keeping for sale, exposing for sale,
giving, and lending of a large capacity magazine is controlled. No person may participate in these activities
without a permit issued by the Department of Justice.So Do what ever you feel comfortable doing. But just because a guy at the gun show says it's illegal to assemble doesn't mean he's correct.

The law has to be specific that assembly is illegal as you only assembled the mag from parts. This is just the same as assembling a firearm from parts. Now granted the firearm thing has more going on then just assembling. The DOJ has never ruled that a self built firearm of conventional design is illegal as long as you follow federal and state law regarding legal configurations.

The manufacturing ends on a frame, receiver when the parts can be assembled into a functional firearm.
So the manufacturing of a magazine is done when it can be assembled into a functional mag.
So even though it is illegal to manufacture a Hi capacity magazine, You did not manufacture it. Someone else did. all you did was assemble it from parts and assembly and possession are not specifically illegal.

I will admit this is a case where a specific letter of clarification is needed from the Cal DOJ just to be perfectly safe. But I still feel comfortable assembling a mag from parts.

[tujungatoes]

Yeah....I duno bout that K. I wouldn't.

[tujungatoes]

\ You did not manufacture it. Someone else did. all you did was assemble it from parts...

Using the Obama defense....I see what you did there.

[kcstott]

I look at it like the Bullet button issue Forgive me in the lack of names being used but I do know that the two to three individuals that got the bullet button accepted and recognized treaded on some firm but untested soil. I feel this is the same thing.

There is a legal definition of manufacture that has seen many instances of case law.
There are also many instances of legal assembly I don't know about the case law aspect.
To this day we have nothing but a law that defines what a fixed mag is. There is no approval on the BB and in most likelihood never will be either.
So until the law is changed to specifically state "assembly" as well as "Manufacture"

I think it's time to request a letter.