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  • Rampage.Maupin
    Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 333

    Sako L61R Bolt Problem. Please Help!

    I took my Sako L61R out today to scope it in. I had fired about 12 rounds through it until I lined up pulled the trigger and no click no boom...nothing. I realized that when I cocked the bolt, the pin that indicates that a round is chambered isnt cocking back. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to fix it or what to look at?
    Originally posted by Lead Waster
    "Hey, he was speeding, look, he has high cap mags in the trunk...Terrorist!"
  • #2
    swifty
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 929

    ~ The trigger housing may be loose from the receiver, there should be a take-up screw at the front.
    ~ The trigger group may need cleaned.
    ~ The sear engagement may be too little.

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    • #3
      G-forceJunkie
      Calguns Addict
      • Jul 2010
      • 6351

      Most guns cock on lifting the bolt. Are you saying the firing pin is lowering as you close the bolt? If so, your trigger is out of adjustment/screw came loose/dirty.
      Last edited by G-forceJunkie; 05-27-2012, 9:13 PM. Reason: misinfo fixed

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      • #4
        Rampage.Maupin
        Member
        • Oct 2010
        • 333

        Originally posted by G-forceJunkie
        Most guns cock on lowering the bolt. Are you saying the firing pin is lowering as you close the bolt? If so, your trigger is out of adjustment/screw came loose/dirty.
        That is correct. When you chamber a load and drop the bolt handle the load chamber indicator clicks back in. I will check out the trigger assembly. I sprayed out the trigger assembly just recently. I heard that lighter fluid is a good option to do this with. Any thoughts?
        Originally posted by Lead Waster
        "Hey, he was speeding, look, he has high cap mags in the trunk...Terrorist!"

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        • #5
          Rampage.Maupin
          Member
          • Oct 2010
          • 333

          Originally posted by swifty
          ~ The trigger housing may be loose from the receiver, there should be a take-up screw at the front.
          ~ The trigger group may need cleaned.
          ~ The sear engagement may be too little.
          What is a sear engagement and where would this be?
          Originally posted by Lead Waster
          "Hey, he was speeding, look, he has high cap mags in the trunk...Terrorist!"

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          • #6
            foxtrotuniformlima
            Veteran Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 3457

            Sear engagement is an adjustment in the trigger group.

            Can you remove the bolt from the rifle ?
            Anyone press will hear the fat lady sing.

            Originally posted by Vin Scully
            Don't be sad that it's over. Smile because it happened.
            Originally posted by William James
            I cannot allow your ignorance, however great, to take precedence over my knowledge, however small.
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            When you reach the plateau, there's always going to be those that try to drag you down. Just keep up the game, collect the scratch, and ignore those who seek to drag you down to their level.
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            • #7
              foxtrotuniformlima
              Veteran Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 3457

              On my L61R ( 270 Win ), the bolt cocks when I lift up on the bolt knob.

              When I chamber a round, there is nothing to show that it is loaded, just the firing pin being cocked but that is there regardless of their being a case in the chamber.

              Are you saying that the firing pin is not cocking ?
              Anyone press will hear the fat lady sing.

              Originally posted by Vin Scully
              Don't be sad that it's over. Smile because it happened.
              Originally posted by William James
              I cannot allow your ignorance, however great, to take precedence over my knowledge, however small.
              Originally posted by BigPimping
              When you reach the plateau, there's always going to be those that try to drag you down. Just keep up the game, collect the scratch, and ignore those who seek to drag you down to their level.
              .

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              • #8
                kcstott
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Nov 2011
                • 11796

                The sear engagement is how far up the little nub one the trigger mech is sticking up into the action. Then the striker or cocking piece which ever term you care to use catches it.
                If the trigger mech is binding or the adjustable trigger is not resetting it will not lock the sear in the up position and you bolt just rides over the top.

                I would recommend taking it to a smith as you have expressed that you don't know what sear engagement is I don't feel comfortable telling you how to monkey with your trigger.
                Best thing I can suggest is clean the trigger and remove all junk and old oil. then place one drop a small drop on each little pin in the trigger. Do not mess with any of the adjustment screws it is very easy to put these triggers in a unsafe condition.

                Where abouts in the central valley are you?

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                • #9
                  kcstott
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 11796

                  Originally posted by foxtrotuniformlima
                  On my L61R ( 270 Win ), the bolt cocks when I lift up on the bolt knob.

                  When I chamber a round, there is nothing to show that it is loaded, just the firing pin being cocked but that is there regardless of their being a case in the chamber.

                  Are you saying that the firing pin is not cocking ?
                  That's exactly what he's saying. The cocking piece is not being held back.

                  And BTW to the OP it doesn't mean a round is loaded. It just means the rifle is cocked and ready to fire. It would show the same position over an empty chamber.
                  Last edited by kcstott; 05-28-2012, 7:48 AM.

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                  • #10
                    swifty
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 929

                    Originally posted by Rampage.Maupin
                    What is a sear engagement and where would this be?
                    Go to this link and scroll down to page 5. Sako L61R ...the image of the trigger assembly is what you want to look at.

                    Look at the trigger itself, and follow it all the way up. It goes up past the screw(B) and engages the large block that extends above the housing. The area of contact between the two parts is the "sear engagement".

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                    • #11
                      Rampage.Maupin
                      Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 333

                      Originally posted by foxtrotuniformlima
                      Sear engagement is an adjustment in the trigger group.

                      Can you remove the bolt from the rifle ?
                      Yes the bolt comes out without a problem
                      Originally posted by Lead Waster
                      "Hey, he was speeding, look, he has high cap mags in the trunk...Terrorist!"

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                      • #12
                        Rampage.Maupin
                        Member
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 333

                        Originally posted by foxtrotuniformlima
                        On my L61R ( 270 Win ), the bolt cocks when I lift up on the bolt knob.

                        When I chamber a round, there is nothing to show that it is loaded, just the firing pin being cocked but that is there regardless of their being a case in the chamber.

                        Are you saying that the firing pin is not cocking ?
                        You are correct. I guess I should maybe cal it a cocking indicator (doesn't matter if a load is chambered), my bolt cocks when the bolt handle is lifted. When it is dropped the indicator cnaps back in as if it isn't cocked.
                        Originally posted by Lead Waster
                        "Hey, he was speeding, look, he has high cap mags in the trunk...Terrorist!"

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                        • #13
                          Rampage.Maupin
                          Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 333

                          Originally posted by kcstott
                          The sear engagement is how far up the little nub one the trigger mech is sticking up into the action. Then the striker or cocking piece which ever term you care to use catches it.
                          If the trigger mech is binding or the adjustable trigger is not resetting it will not lock the sear in the up position and you bolt just rides over the top.

                          I would recommend taking it to a smith as you have expressed that you don't know what sear engagement is I don't feel comfortable telling you how to monkey with your trigger.
                          Best thing I can suggest is clean the trigger and remove all junk and old oil. then place one drop a small drop on each little pin in the trigger. Do not mess with any of the adjustment screws it is very easy to put these triggers in a unsafe condition.

                          Where abouts in the central valley are you?
                          I am in Stockton. What would you recommend cleaning out the trigger assy with? I heard lighter fluid is useful.
                          Originally posted by Lead Waster
                          "Hey, he was speeding, look, he has high cap mags in the trunk...Terrorist!"

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                          • #14
                            G-forceJunkie
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 6351

                            You caught my error, I edited my post. Got Lee-Enfields on my brain I guess.
                            Originally posted by kcstott
                            Incorrect
                            Most bolt actions cock on opening. The cocking piece is captured by the trigger as the bolt is closed moving into it's ready to fire position

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                            • #15
                              kcstott
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 11796

                              Originally posted by G-forceJunkie
                              You caught my error, I edited my post. Got Lee-Enfields on my brain I guess.
                              I've got a 1917 enfield and an 1891 Argentine mauser that do cock on closing.

                              I just wasn't sure if you were referring to when the cocking piece engages the trigger. That happens just as you are closing the bolt as you know, and i knew a guy the swore that was still cocking on closing

                              I had to fix my post to, can't spell worth a darn

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