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  • nick
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    • Aug 2008
    • 19151

    LR-308 pattern 80% lower comparison

    So, I just received my Quentin Laser 308 80% lower, and I happen to have a Tactical Machining one, as well. There are some difference between the two, as you can see in the pictures below.

    1. The hole for the rear takedown pin's detente on the Tactical Machining lower is on the back, on Quentin Laser - on the bottom. This makes the hole on the Quentin Laser lower the regular length, the one on the Tactical Machining lower is longer. TM provides a pin to make up for the difference in length.

    2. The QL lower has an extra threaded hole next to the one for the pistol grip screw. It has an allen screw in it. I've no idea what it's for, so if you know it, please, let me know. EDIT: looks like is a tension screw for the upper receiver.

    3. The sides, the front, and the trigger guard are machined differently. Personally, I like the look of the TM lowers better, but to each his own.

    4. TM lowers are forged, QL are billet.

    5. One of the holes for the pivot pin is recessed on the QL lower.

    6. Both PMAGs and GI mags drop free in both lowers. Keep in mind that the TM one has already been Type III anodized (after finishing it to 100%). While the QL one is still in the white, there's enough of a gap in the magwell that I doubt there'll be any issues with mags dropping free after anodizing.

    Overall, it's pretty hard to pick one over the other. I personally prefer the TM ones, but solely based on the looks and the fact that they're forged.

    I'm also curious how the QL lower will come out after anodizing. The QL AR-15 lower came out purplish.

    And now, for the pictures:









    Last edited by nick; 10-21-2023, 1:20 PM.
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    VaderSpade
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    • Mar 2009
    • 4274

    I have both as well, actually they are both billet, the new TM's are 7075. I think the QD is 6061.
    Last edited by VaderSpade; 02-03-2012, 6:53 PM.

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    • #3
      DannyInSoCal
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      • Aug 2010
      • 8271

      I say leave it raw and polish the crap out of it....

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        Joewy
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        • Jul 2010
        • 2550

        Neither one of those are forged.
        But it dosent really matter anyhow. Forging is just to reduce the manufacturing cost.
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          ott1
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 1882

          That threaded hole is for the selector detent so when you remove the pistol grip, the spring and detent stays in place.

          I think both TM and QD should have added a sling swivel hole in the back of the receiver about a inch behind the takedown pin hole.
          Last edited by ott1; 02-03-2012, 7:03 PM.

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            goober
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            • Sep 2008
            • 4875

            neither is an "AR-10" lower. Both are DPMS-style AR .308 lowers.
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              nick
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              • Aug 2008
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              Originally posted by VaderSpade
              I have both as well, actually they are both billet, the new TM's are 7075. I think the QD is 6061.
              Would that explain the difference in coloration after anodizing? Both QL and TM AR-15 lowers were anodized in the same batch, but while the TM lowers came out black, the QL lower came out purplish.
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                nick
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                Originally posted by goober
                neither is an "AR-10" lower. Both are DPMS-style AR .308 lowers.
                Sure. And most people still search for AR-10 when they look for the information on the .308 AR builds
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                  ott1
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                  • Mar 2009
                  • 1882

                  The QD lower has a tensioning screw so no accu-wedge is needed if there is wobble between the upper and lower receiver.

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                    nick
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                    Originally posted by ott1
                    The QD lower has a tensioning screw so no accu-wedge is needed if there is wobble between the upper and lower receiver.
                    Ah, that's what it is, thanks.
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                      goober
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                      Originally posted by nick
                      Sure. And most people still search for AR-10 when they look for the information on the .308 AR builds
                      which, you can either perpetuate, or contribute towards correcting....
                      not trying to nitpick or be a jerk, just saying that terminology is only useful when it means something consistent.
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                        VaderSpade
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                        • Mar 2009
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                        That rear screw comes up into the rear takedown pin hole, the only thing I can see it doing is locking in the pin and therefore the locking the upper????

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                          nick
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                          Originally posted by goober
                          which, you can either perpetuate, or contribute towards correcting....
                          not trying to nitpick or be a jerk, just saying that terminology is only useful when it means something consistent.
                          Alright, fair enough.
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                            Joewy
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                            • Jul 2010
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                            Originally posted by nick
                            Would that explain the difference in coloration after anodizing? Both QL and TM AR-15 lowers were anodized in the same batch, but while the TM lowers came out black, the QL lower came out purplish.
                            Most likely different surface areas and the purple one wasent left in the bath long enough to get good penetration of the anodizing.

                            The more correct term for those lowers is SR-25 patern lowers.
                            DPMS is a SR-25 patern but so are others.
                            Thre is also another that is the Fulton Armory lower.
                            Last edited by Joewy; 02-03-2012, 8:38 PM.
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                              nick
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                              Originally posted by Joewy
                              Most likely different surface areas and the purple one wasent left in the bath long enough to get good penetration of the anodizing.

                              The more correct term for those lowers is SR-25 patern lowers.
                              DPMS is a SR-25 patern but so are others.
                              Thre is also another that is the Fulton Armory lower.
                              Picky, picky
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