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  • Teletiger7
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 2720

    Does Upper to Lower fit affect accuracy?

    Just put together another OLL rifle recently and noticed that there is a little bit of play between the upper and lower when they are put together. It's not really that noticeable unless i really wiggle them in different directions, but I'm wondering if this affects the accuracy all that much. A previous build that I did doesn't do this and is snug. I'm sorta new to ARs in general so I'm hoping any of guys might be able to answer this question. Thanks
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    chuck762
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2006
    • 1049

    Doesn't make a bit of difference. The bolt, barrel and sights are all on the upper so having a little movement between the upper and lower doesn't affect anything. If the sights were somehow mounted to the lower then it would affect accuracy as the barrel may be pointing in the same direction every shot.
    The play might bother some enough to try and tighten it up but it is just a personal thing.

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    • #3
      uscbigdawg
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2007
      • 1869

      FINALLY!!!! Someone understands!!! I could seriously hug you.

      Rich
      "Speed is a tactic!" - R.W.

      "Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what you're doing." - Chuck Knox

      "The callus on my finger is from my trigger, not the keyboard!" - Rob Leatham

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      • #4
        ar15barrels
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2006
        • 57111

        If it plays with your mind, it can effect the group size.
        If you decide that it's not important, you won't notice the difference between a loose gun and a tight gun on the target.

        Put another way, if it bothers you, fix it.
        Otherwise get on with more important things like sight alignment and trigger squeezing.
        Randall Rausch

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        • #5
          Sgt Raven
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2005
          • 3825

          If you have a sub MOA rifle and you're shooting at 300+ yards you might see a difference. Just like you can change the way a bolt action rifle shoots by changing the tightness of the action screws.
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          • #6
            uscbigdawg
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2007
            • 1869

            SGT Raven,

            Have to disagree. My 3-Gun rifle shoots sub-MOA all day. And like Randall mentioned unless it's playing with your head, there is no mechanical reason that it would change. A shooter's psychology is not the fault of the rifle.

            Rich
            "Speed is a tactic!" - R.W.

            "Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what you're doing." - Chuck Knox

            "The callus on my finger is from my trigger, not the keyboard!" - Rob Leatham

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            • #7
              Sgt Raven
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 3825

              Originally posted by uscbigdawg
              SGT Raven,

              Have to disagree. My 3-Gun rifle shoots sub-MOA all day. And like Randall mentioned unless it's playing with your head, there is no mechanical reason that it would change. A shooter's psychology is not the fault of the rifle.

              Rich
              For running and gunning you won't see the difference, but if you sit down at the bench with a real rest and rear bag you could see it. If the rifle doesn't recoil the same every time the group will open up.
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              DILLIGAF
              "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice"
              "Once is Happenstance, Twice is Coincidence, Thrice is Enemy Action"
              "The flak is always heaviest, when you're over the target"

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              • #8
                5968
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2006
                • 3557

                Originally posted by ar15barrels
                If it plays with your mind, it can effect the group size.
                If you decide that it's not important, you won't notice the difference between a loose gun and a tight gun on the target.

                Put another way, if it bothers you, fix it.
                Otherwise get on with more important things like sight alignment and trigger squeezing.
                Amen! Take it to the range and out some rounds through it.
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                • #9
                  uscbigdawg
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 1869

                  sarge - shoots .25 MOA all day. I've benched it more than a few times.

                  Rich
                  "Speed is a tactic!" - R.W.

                  "Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what you're doing." - Chuck Knox

                  "The callus on my finger is from my trigger, not the keyboard!" - Rob Leatham

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                  • #10
                    Fjold
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 22908

                    The only real way that it would affect you is if the upper is loose enough to move when you squeeze the trigger or when the hammer falls. Because the hammer is mounted to the frame and the upper pivots on the front pin. If the upper moves during the time that the hammer falls the the POI will change.
                    Frank

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                    • #11
                      Ahhnother8
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 1454

                      I used to shoot a spacegun out to 1000 yards quite a lot, in competition with iron sights and a sling, prone. The upper and lower were not tight, but not sloppy loose. It didn't seem to make much of a difference. I did put in several Accu-wedge's, but they compressed over time, so got progressively looser. I only shoot the spacegun out to 600 yards now, and things are MUCH more forgiving shooting this close. So, tighten things up for some peace of mind if you must...

                      Lane

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