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  • santacruzstefan
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 4796

    Electroless nickel plating at home

    Anyone ever do this? I see you can buy various kits, and it seems to me that it wouldn't be very difficult. Maybe do some nickel boron with a heat treatment, or nickel teflon (Fail Zero and NP3, respectively). Of course, UCT and Robar might have some special additives that make their processes unique, but then again they might not, and just have fancy names to get away with charging ridiculous amounts for what shouldn't be a very expensive process.

    You think I could make a business out of this? "I'll coat your **** for cheap!" can be my slogan More importantly, if you have done this stuff, how challenging is it? I've got a small kiln I can use for heat treating, and I've taken some chemistry courses so I can handle that aspect of it, I just don't want to buy some of this stuff and fail horribly after investing $500 into it, you know?
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    heycorey
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2007
    • 825

    Do some googling ... I think you'll find that the plating industry is highly regulated. Environmentalists hate it. You'd have a hard enough time getting permits for it in an industrial park. There's no way you'd get permits to do that, as a business, in your garage.

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    • #3
      Joewy
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2010
      • 2550

      It takes a lot of room to do plating of any type. You need besides the plating tank at least 3 or 4 additional tanks for cleaning and washing with caustic solutions. You are also dealing with hot acids that will deposit that acid all over everything else in the room if you dont have good ventilation. It also smells. If you have close neighbors they will complain.
      And the worse thing is that you will have customers who expect perfection that you wont be able to do in your home shop.
      Originally posted by Turbinator
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      • #4
        VaderSpade
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Mar 2009
        • 4274

        http://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/rh1825lnb.html
        Last edited by VaderSpade; 10-19-2011, 10:05 AM.

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        • #5
          santacruzstefan
          Veteran Member
          • Jul 2009
          • 4796

          Originally posted by heycorey
          Do some googling ... I think you'll find that the plating industry is highly regulated. Environmentalists hate it. You'd have a hard enough time getting permits for it in an industrial park. There's no way you'd get permits to do that, as a business, in your garage.
          Originally posted by Joewy
          It takes a lot of room to do plating of any type. You need besides the plating tank at least 3 or 4 additional tanks for cleaning and washing with caustic solutions. You are also dealing with hot acids that will deposit that acid all over everything else in the room if you dont have good ventilation. It also smells. If you have close neighbors they will complain.
          And the worse thing is that you will have customers who expect perfection that you wont be able to do in your home shop.
          My father owns a cabinet finishing company, I'm willing to bet his permits would cover this (also, one of his processes is metal coatings, but its an HVLP spray-on type). Plus, I think this method of plating is a bit less involved than regular nickel or chrome plating. And I'm fairly certain perfection is possible at home, it just requires a bit of practice.

          Originally posted by VaderSpade
          I’ve done it. It’s not hard, but it is complicated (if that makes any sense) Lots of steps. I still have all my gear and plan to gold plate some guns at some point. I also have some nickel plating solution so I may try that as well.

          Half of these solutions are acid based and half are cyanide based, so you have the makings of a gas chamber. Know what you’re doing!!!

          On a side note I have two ounces of Rhodium locked in plating solution. Rhodium hit $10,000.00 an ounce a couple years ago but I couldn’t find anyone that knew how to drop it out of the plating solution, and didn’t trust the refiners to be honest about how much they recovered. http://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/rh1825lnb.html If anyone knows how to get it out drop me a line. Rhodium makes Nickel look dull maybe I’ll plate some gun with it?
          For gold and silver, you can drop it out of solution with sodium sulfide and salt, respectively. Then you put the precipitate in a kiln, and it burns off to leave behind the metal. Not sure about rhodium particularly, though.

          As far as cyanide, I was under the impression the electroless nickel process was a bit different. Yeah, you need to etch the metal with acids, and yeah there were some potentially hazardous chemicals involved, but it didn't sound too difficult.
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          • #6
            SJgunguy24
            I need a LIFE!!
            • May 2008
            • 14849

            Caswell plating would be a good place to start.
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            • #7
              Joewy
              Veteran Member
              • Jul 2010
              • 2550

              Originally posted by santacruzstefan
              My father owns a cabinet finishing company, I'm willing to bet his permits would cover this (also, one of his processes is metal coatings, but its an HVLP spray-on type). Plus, I think this method of plating is a bit less involved than regular nickel or chrome plating. And I'm fairly certain perfection is possible at home, it just requires a bit of practice.



              For gold and silver, you can drop it out of solution with sodium sulfide and salt, respectively. Then you put the precipitate in a kiln, and it burns off to leave behind the metal. Not sure about rhodium particularly, though.

              As far as cyanide, I was under the impression the electroless nickel process was a bit different. Yeah, you need to etch the metal with acids, and yeah there were some potentially hazardous chemicals involved, but it didn't sound too difficult.
              Have fun. Did it for decades and all I got was trouble and fines.....
              Originally posted by Turbinator
              Hold on bud, Calguns is a privately owned forum, on which we are all guests of the owner. We have no freedom of speech here, period.

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              • #8
                santacruzstefan
                Veteran Member
                • Jul 2009
                • 4796

                Originally posted by Joewy
                Have fun. Did it for decades and all I got was trouble and fines.....
                Fines from who, EPA, state, county? Were you doing the actual electroless finishing? I was under the impression that this process was significantly less involved/ toxic than other forms of metal platings/ coatings. Also, I'm not talking about huge tanks for a large operation, just doing a few pistols here and there, maybe some bolt carrier groups and such.
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                • #9
                  santacruzstefan
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 4796

                  Originally posted by SJgunguy24
                  Caswell plating would be a good place to start.
                  Yes exactly, they looked to have the most complete kits from what I saw. Seemed pretty straightforward, but those are some famous last words if I've ever heard em.
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