Homebuilt markings.

[WTSGDYBBR]

This is a great read me it should be pinned .

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=407187&highlight=tutorial

[Lostsheep]

When marking a homebuilt firearm can you use just your initials, or do you need to use your full name. I understand that you do not need to mark homebuilt firearms, but if you decide to mark them it is my understanding that you must mark them according to the alphabet boys guidelines.
Thank you.

1. The model, if such designation has been made;
2. The caliber or gauge:
3. Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer;
4. In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business; and
5. In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.

I mark mine with my initials only. I never intend to sell them though so I think it's mute.

[ElectronWrangler]

1. The model, if such designation has been made;
2. The caliber or gauge:
3. Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer;
4. In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business; and
5. In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.

I mark mine with my initials only. I never intend to sell them though so I think it's mute.

Thanks for the info. I have no intention of selling either I just remember seeing a post somewhere out there that IF you marked HB guns you had to do it to ATF guidelines.

Now I just need to find a job so I can afford some engraving, being unemployed and having BRD sucks alot.

[WTSGDYBBR]

If you did have intention of selling you could always have bought a NDS reviver you dros as I will never do.

[nicoroshi]

If you did have intention of selling you could always have bought a NDS reviver you dros as I will never do.

You can buy an NDS receiver for a home build but you cannot do a home build with the intention of selling it without the proper licensing from the BATF.

Granted a home build (for your own use) would be easier to sell at a later date (if you fell on hard times, needed the money, got tired of it, etc) if built on an NDS receiver since it was a receiver when purchased, and is already a registered firearm when you obtain it.

That being said I believe the laws on home built firearms are quite clear about your intended use/ sale of it when constructed for non-FFL builders.

[goober]

You can buy an NDS receiver for a home build but you cannot do a home build with the intention of selling it without the proper licensing from the BATF.

Granted a home build (for your own use) would be easier to sell at a later date (if you fell on hard times, needed the money, got tired of it, etc) if built on an NDS receiver since it was a receiver when purchased, and is already a registered firearm when you obtain it.

That being said I believe the laws on home built firearms are quite clear about your intended use/ sale of it when constructed for non-FFL builders.

as you stated (sort of), a commercially produced finished receiver is a firearm. regardless of whether you build it into a rifle or sell it as you bought it, it is perfectly sellable just like any other firearm, provided you follow the rules and go through an FFL. the receiver (and any firearm built on it ) are NOT "homebuilt" by ATF standards.
if you make your own receiver, by bending a flat, or milling an 80% lower, or whittling it with a pocketknife, you have created a new firearm, and the BATFE regs regarding whether you can sell said homebuilt firearm come into play.
but neither a rifle built on an NDS finished receiver nor the receiver itself is considered "homebuilt" wrt whether you can sell it or not. its just like any other firearm, as you (a non-FFL/SOT) did not manufacture it.

[nicoroshi]

as you stated (sort of), a commercially produced finished receiver is a firearm. regardless of whether you build it into a rifle or sell it as you bought it, it is perfectly sellable just like any other firearm, provided you follow the rules and go through an FFL. the receiver (and any firearm built on it ) are NOT "homebuilt" by ATF standards.
if you make your own receiver, by bending a flat, or milling an 80% lower, or whittling it with a pocketknife, you have created a new firearm, and the BATFE regs regarding whether you can sell said homebuilt firearm come into play.
but neither a rifle built on an NDS finished receiver nor the receiver itself is considered "homebuilt" wrt whether you can sell it or not. its just like any other firearm, as you (a non-FFL/SOT) did not manufacture it.

I stand corrected.

Now riddle me this:
If I was to buy 10 NDS receivers, and build rifles out of them. The BATF wouldn't be banging down my door if I sold all of them in a year?

[goober]

I stand corrected.

Now riddle me this:
If I was to buy 10 NDS receivers, and build rifles out of them. The BATF wouldn't be banging down my door if I sold all of them in a year?

no more than they might if you bought 10 fully built AK's or AR's and resold them within a year.

if you legally buy & resell a lot of guns (bare receivers or otherwise), you might get a look. but that has nothing to do with the prohibition against building for sale/manufacturing w/o a license, since you are not manufacturing the firearms, just buying and selling them.

[nicoroshi]

no more than they might if you bought 10 fully built AK's or AR's and resold them within a year.

if you legally buy & resell a lot of guns (bare receivers or otherwise), you might get a look. but that has nothing to do with the prohibition against building for sale/manufacturing w/o a license, since you are not manufacturing the firearms, just buying and selling them.

Hmmm,
Good to know.
Thanks for the info.
So....technically a build on a DROSed NDS receiver isn't a 'homebuild' (when it comes to the 'with intent to sell' part of homebuild law)?

[ElectronWrangler]

That's my non Lawyerly interpretation of it Nico. There's even some guy in Texas on GB that will assemble your parts kit on a NDS receiver really cheaply, but only on a NDS receiver you mail to him with your parts kit.


This is the guy, says he's federally liscenced? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=226200772

[goober]

Hmmm,

So....technically a build on a DROSed NDS receiver isn't a 'homebuild' (when it comes to the 'with intent to sell' part of homebuild law)?

agreed, but it's something more than "assembling"

i'm w/ Electron on this. the 'with intent to sell' refers specifically to creating a firearm out of a non-firearm (flat, paperweight, billet, whatever). it's not about what you do with something that is already a legally purchased firearm made by a licensed manufacturer. there is no law or regulation that i know of that precludes anyone from buying a firearm with full intention of selling it, provided that all transactions are conducted within the law. just don't make one planning to sell it.

[Domingo]

is their a place in the east bay that I can take my flat to get
it engraved before I bend it

[Fern]

I just picked up the HF letter/# stamping tools. Will this work? Going to use a pencil to mark lines out to get everything parrallel. I'm assuming I can mark the bottom of the reciever as long as its visible. Right? Hope I don't mess up.

[Alex$]

Yes the HF stamps will work, yes the pencil will also work, that's how I do mine.

Couple tips:
Mark a center line, then mark spaces out from the center, then everything will be evenly spaced.
Use a straight edge to align the stamps to so they are in a straight line.
Have a good bucking plate. I do mine with the flat clamped to 60 pound I-beam. Without clamping and having a good backing you will get inconsistent stamping.

The first one I did came out great, didn't use a straight edge. The last one not so much, was in a hurry and didn't use a straight edge, its crooked.

If you have some scrap sheet, practice with it first. You want a single hard stamp not multiple hits for best results.

Oh, one last thing: make sure before you start that all the stamps are sharp and clear, first set I bought the 3 and one other letter were smashed and not crisp and would not have given good results.

[Fern]

I should of used a staight edge, looks like my 4 yr old daughter did it LOL. But at least its on the bottom.