Ak-Builder Rivet Tool Vs AK Rivet Jaws

[WTSGDYBBR]

I been trying find the correct answer far as what works better. Ak-Builder Rivet Tool Vs AK Rivet Jaws . I do understand the Ak-Builder Rivet Tool does it all far as the Trunnion,Rear Trunnion ,Center Support. Is there limitations using the Bolt Cutter AK Rivet Jaws ? I'm sure you can get the Trunnion done but what about the center support and rear Trunnion ? Who owns a Ak-Builder Rivet Tool and who owns the bolt cutter type. Thanks for any useful input you can give me trying to make sure I get what I need.

[Noobert]

I think the bolt cutters only work for the front trunnion

[tujungatoes]

Noobert is correct the bolt cutters only do the short front trunnion rivets. You'll still need a long rivet jig to do the Center support, and any other long rivets. like the rears on most, and the lower front on bulged trunnions like the yugo, RPK, PSL, etc.

[Roccobro]

I have both, and use both for all builds.

And neither one does the trigger guard rivets.

Justin

[nicoroshi]

Personally bought the toth tool blades for a 24" bolt cutter to handle the front rivets,
Traded services for an AK builder trigger guard rivet jig, and built my own center support, long rivet, and counter sunk dimple jig.


Toth tool bolt cutter rivets interior (IMHO super easy to use with excellent results):


Homemade long rivet jig using dimpling tool for my Bulgy 74's counter sunk front trunnion holes:



AK builder trigger guard rivet result (same build):



I kicked around the idea of buying or building the long rivet tool for a while.
In the end I really like to build things so opted for just buying the toth tool blades for the 24" bolt cutters, and building the jig for the long ones from a piece of tube steel (free), a few schedule 5 bolts, and a nut ($2.50), and some 1/2 " scrap steel I had laying around. Wit the money I saved I bought another kit.
It may not be as pretty as the AK builder one but it works just fine.

[Roccobro]

Lol. I did it opposite.

I built my Jaws by welding, milling, and filing. But bought all the other jigs as I wanted the tools to still work when I finished my 20th AK. Not that yours won't hold up, but I have a "no name" long rivet jig that is pure poop from the get-go.

Justin

[valleyrat]

There is no comparison to the AKbuilder jig. It will give professional results every time when used properly. Money well spent.

[E-120]

I prefer the bolt cutters for the front. Quick and easy.

[WTSGDYBBR]

Awesome feed back on the thread . I ordered the ak-builder rivet tool. I was unsure if that was the right tool Vs the Bolt cutters. I have not gone to my fist build party yet. Waiting for Dec then Jan . I have bought 80% of my tools all ready - A press and a drill press - Blasting cabinet and Parkerizing equipment . I read ton with build party asking to bring tools if you have them some of the tools were modified bolt cutters. I watched the YouTube today with how to rivet the rear Trunnion. One tool was to hold the receiver down and aligned the rivet. Another was to smash the rivet to form it then the last tool was to finish the rivet . I was unsure if people with bolt cutters were also doing that. So end of story you need a long rivet jig no matter what to do your center support and rear trunnion. Thanks for the helpful post and thanks nicoroshi for the pictures as I enjoy them.

[Roccobro]

The SOP for the long rivets (from Curtis's site) is to align the rivet with one pin, then mash and form with the dished pin.

Justin

[SJgunguy24]

I have used the AK tools of all types. I like the bolt cutters for the front, it's faster and easy to get great results. It's pretty tough to beat the AK builder tool for the long rivets, I made my own with a 4"X 3"X 8" chunk of tube steel.

Same as Nico, I used bolts for the rivet formers, I made my own buck bars with rod stock and a lathe. I have a plastic plate that holds the receiver dead flat while pressing the long rivets. Barrel tools and made from plate steel and the barrel pushers are all brass turned on a lathe.

Soon enough when we get tooling I'll have more tools ready to go for more types of builds.

[valleyrat]

Awesome feed back on the thread . I ordered the ak-builder rivet tool. I was unsure if that was the right tool Vs the Bolt cutters. I have not gone to my fist build party yet. Waiting for Dec then Jan . I have bought 80% of my tools all ready - A press and a drill press - Blasting cabinet and Parkerizing equipment . I read ton with build party asking to bring tools if you have them some of the tools were modified bolt cutters. I watched the YouTube today with how to rivet the rear Trunnion. One tool was to hold the receiver down and aligned the rivet. Another was to smash the rivet to form it then the last tool was to finish the rivet . I was unsure if people with bolt cutters were also doing that. So end of story you need a long rivet jig no matter what to do your center support and rear trunnion. Thanks for the helpful post and thanks nicoroshi for the pictures as I enjoy them.

PM me once you have the jig if you have any questions, I would be happy to help out. There are a couple of tricks I have found really help.

[WTSGDYBBR]

I have all the jigs . I do have a question on the rivet jig. I do still need to pick up my 20 ton press waiting on using my father in law truck maybe next weekend to get that with the drill press. I know the regular ones that came with the rivet jig have 2 peaces you can screw in one has a cup one is flat unsure one you use to press the rivet inside the front trunnion of the 47. I can take pictures if I'm not making sense.

PM me once you have the jig if you have any questions, I would be happy to help out. There are a couple of tricks I have found really help.

[valleyrat]

The one with the cup is for making a rounded rivet head on the short rivets, for the mag well rivets specifically. The flat one is for the the other trunnion rivets that will be hidden by the barrel.

Be sure to adjust the protrusion of the forming die so the pressure is applied directly to the rivet shaft and down onto the bucking piece. This is confusing but should make sense once you have everything in front of you.

Again, PM me if you have trouble once you get started.

I have all the jigs . I do have a question on the rivet jig. I do still need to pick up my 20 ton press waiting on using my father in law truck maybe next weekend to get that with the drill press. I know the regular ones that came with the rivet jig have 2 peaces you can screw in one has a cup one is flat unsure one you use to press the rivet inside the front trunnion of the 47. I can take pictures if I'm not making sense.

[WTSGDYBBR]

That helped tons . I will be sure to pm you once I'm ready. I have a few build party's lined up but I know I'm going to just get tempted . I watched some Youtube Clips that helped tons on it. http://www.youtube.com/user/Buildyou.../9/x3OOPoQVGfM Thanks Again for your help valleyrat

The one with the cup is for making a rounded rivet head on the short rivets, for the mag well rivets specifically. The flat one is for the the other trunnion rivets that will be hidden by the barrel.

Be sure to adjust the protrusion of the forming die so the pressure is applied directly to the rivet shaft and down onto the bucking piece. This is confusing but should make sense once you have everything in front of you.

Again, PM me if you have trouble once you get started.