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  • Dave A
    Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 459

    AR buffer face damage

    Has anyone here experienced, or observed damage to the face of the buffer from contacting the buffer retainer pin?

    Posting this because I have seen this occur on two AR's that were built on the same brand OLL lowers. Both rifles experienced cycling problems until they would no longer function. When disassembled the buffers were stuck in the buffer tubes and had to be forced out from the rear of the tube.

    We determined that the hole for the buffer retainer was drilled too far toward the buffer tube by approximately .050 and the rear of the bolt was not in contact with the buffer when the upper and lower were assembled. This allowed the buffer to contact the small pin each time the action cycled, which gradually chewed up the outside edges. On one rifle, the pin was bent and almost broken off.
    Last edited by Dave A; 09-03-2010, 11:19 PM. Reason: spelling
  • #2
    JohnBrian
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2003
    • 1204

    I've seen minor marks on mine & other people's rifles but nothing that caused me any concern. I've never see the retainer bent/broken before.
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    • #3
      uxo2
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 4003

      PICS PLEASE
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      • #4
        Dave A
        Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 459

        OK - I will get some photos and post, hopefully of both buffers and the damaged retainer pin. I am pretty sure at least one of the buffers has been saved for posterity and maybe both of them, since this happened in the last few weeks.

        Neither completed rifle was mine, but both belonged to friends who live nearby.

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        • #5
          rero360
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 3927

          I don't want to mention any names but were either rifles made by a company with the initials DPMS? Reason I ask, I was at an appleseed shoot a few years ago and this one couple was shooting some DPMS rifles when the wifes completely jammed up, we finally managed to get it apart and the bolt retainer had broken free and it and its spring had jammed everything up. I let her borrow my lower so she could continue shooting and when I got it back the marks on my buffer from the retaining pin were way more severe than from me shooting my own upper. Maybe the DPMS BCGs are slightly shorter than others, I don't know, it was odd though.

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          • #6
            bohoki
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2006
            • 20826

            i guess you could solve this by taking off the barrel and filing a tad off the front of the upper reciever that way the barrel will be slightly set back and the bolt will be slightly set back but you dont want to go crazy and take off too much then it wont hinge down

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            • #7
              BSlacker
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2003
              • 923

              The buffer stop when placed correctly is not a high stress area. Just elongate the hole until the buffer rides on the back of the bolt and it will be fine. I have repaired a 80% lower that I missed the hole location on. I would send it back to the maker.

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              • #8
                Dave A
                Member
                • Aug 2010
                • 459

                Working on getting photos (people out of town) but the lowers were not DPMS and were not by any major player in the market. In our case the dealer replaced all of the lowers, even some that had not been assembled yet.

                I agree the situation can be remedied by plugging the hole and re-locating it.

                I now have Spikes lowers and after some breakin firing, there is not a mark on the buffer.

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                • #9
                  biglou
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2007
                  • 1317

                  What lower was it ?

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                  • #10
                    Dave A
                    Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 459

                    I would rather not identify the lower by name, as it could have just been a bad batch and otherwise it was fine. Was curious if others had run into this problem, but it seems not very often.

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                    • #11
                      adamsreeftank
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 2244

                      I have had the same issue on some low end rifles. One was a Hesse .308 and the other was pre-bullet button fixed mag AR. Both had the retainer pin hole drilled too far back so the buffer would hit the pin before the bolt carrier was fully seated. You can fix that particular problem by "egging" the retainer hole a bit forward to give the buffer a bit more room. I did that, but later gave up on the lowers since there were other areas out of spec that couldn't be fixed so easily, like the height of the magazine catch.

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                      • #12
                        Dave A
                        Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 459

                        OK - As promised, here is a photo of one of the damaged buffers and pin. As you can see the owner filed down the major part of the damage, so he could continue using the rifle until he got a new buffer to install. It was much worse than this when it stopped cycling and jammed about three inches into the buffer tube.
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                        • #13
                          CGK60
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 594

                          Buffer

                          I have the exact same problem with my new plumbcrazy lower. I might move the hole.

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