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  • nagorb
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 4355

    AK build problems

    I just "finished" a romy g build a few weeks ago but, I'm having a problem closing the bolt fully. Its hard to explain but I was hoping someone might know whats wrong.

    Without the bolt in the carrier closes easily to about a .1in. It closes fully with the spring but gets stuck. With the bolt it gets difficult to close at .61in

    I think its the piston that's holding it up but not sure. When there is resistance closing the bolt carrier it still has wiggle up, down and side to side. which is why I think its the piston.

    Not sure if I explained it in a way that can be understood. Anyone have any suggestions? or in the SF bay area to help and head space?

    Thanks, Mike
  • #2
    bootcamp
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2006
    • 1019

    Mike, this is Erik (bootcamp) from the build party. Martin and I were the guys with you tag teaming those stations!

    Have you tried oiling everything yet? Both Martin and I had those problems when assembling and once we oiled the snot out of everything the piston slid in like Ron Jeremy at a brothel.
    Originally posted by ar15barrels
    Lube helps whenever you are trying to get something into a tight hole.

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    • #3
      TURBOELKY
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 1930

      Was this with a flat? If with a flat, what kind of flat? Without the bolt, it still hangs up? Is it rubbing one of the sides of the rear sight block? If not, are the rails getting narrower towards the front trunnion? With the bolt in, does it move away from the ejector rail if you watch it? Was the rail trimmed? Any pictures? If it was a tapco flat, or an older ak-builder flat, it may be the rails need more trimming. More info needed!!
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      TURBOELKY

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      • #4
        MrNiceGuy
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2007
        • 2428

        Pic(s) needed, don't really understand to written description.

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        • #5
          bootcamp
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2006
          • 1019

          Yes, almost forgot, we forgot to trim the ejector part of the rail at the party Mike. I did shave a little off the tip.
          Originally posted by ar15barrels
          Lube helps whenever you are trying to get something into a tight hole.

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          • #6
            thedrickel
            Calguns Addict
            • Apr 2006
            • 5577

            Probably the bolt is running into the right side of the front trunnion, above the locking lug.
            I hate people that are full of hate.

            It's not illegal to tip for PPT!

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            • #7
              Norm222
              Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 176

              Originally posted by bootcamp
              ...the piston slid in like Ron Jeremy at a brothel.

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              • #8
                ElCUBANO
                Member
                • Nov 2006
                • 124

                Make sure the rails are on tight. The spot welder tips were shot at the end and we were not getting a good weld. The rails may be a little lose near the front. Mine are and my bolt hangs up. Need to redo some of my welds next party. See ya all at the next party.
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                • #9
                  SJgunguy24
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • May 2008
                  • 14849

                  Originally posted by ElCUBANO
                  Make sure the rails are on tight. The spot welder tips were shot at the end and we were not getting a good weld. The rails may be a little lose near the front. Mine are and my bolt hangs up. Need to redo some of my welds next party. See ya all at the next party.
                  Drill a hole, clamp, and plug weld with MIG machine. Blend the weld in and refinish.
                  There are 3 kinds of people in this world.
                  The wise, learn from the mistakes of others.
                  The smart, learn from their own mistakes.
                  The others, well......they just never learn.

                  "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death!"
                  Patrick Henry.

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                  • #10
                    nagorb
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 4355

                    Sorry guys my computer crashed so I haven't been able to post pics.

                    Originally posted by bootcamp
                    Mike, this is Erik (bootcamp) from the build party. Martin and I were the guys with you tag teaming those stations!

                    Have you tried oiling everything yet? Both Martin and I had those problems when assembling and once we oiled the snot out of everything the piston slid in like Ron Jeremy at a brothel.
                    HAHA. Tried oiling but didn't help.

                    Originally posted by TURBOELKY
                    Was this with a flat? If with a flat, what kind of flat? Without the bolt, it still hangs up? Is it rubbing one of the sides of the rear sight block? If not, are the rails getting narrower towards the front trunnion? With the bolt in, does it move away from the ejector rail if you watch it? Was the rail trimmed? Any pictures? If it was a tapco flat, or an older ak-builder flat, it may be the rails need more trimming. More info needed!!
                    Romy g on an ak builder flat.

                    w/out the bolt it still hangs up.

                    Rails get wider towards the front trunnion b/c of the center support. I don't think it moves away from the ejector rail but I don't have it with me now.

                    Originally posted by thedrickel
                    Probably the bolt is running into the right side of the front trunnion, above the locking lug.
                    That's what I was originally thinking but I marked it with a sharpie and it doesn't rub off. Also when it starts to hang up the carrier is still loose, it has play side to side and up and down. That's what makes me think it's the

                    Originally posted by ElCUBANO
                    Make sure the rails are on tight. The spot welder tips were shot at the end and we were not getting a good weld. The rails may be a little lose near the front. Mine are and my bolt hangs up. Need to redo some of my welds next party. See ya all at the next party.
                    The rails are solid.

                    Thanks for the tips.

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                    • #11
                      nagorb
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 4355





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                      • #12
                        JamesY
                        Veteran Member
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 2652

                        If you have time next week after 6 PM, you can bring it over to my place in the east bay. PM me with your availability and we can trouble shoot it. We can headspace it too.
                        Last edited by JamesY; 05-29-2010, 6:36 PM.

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                        • #13
                          nagorb
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 4355

                          Originally posted by JamesY
                          If you have time next week after 6 PM, you can bring it over to my place in the east bay. PM me with your availability and we can trouble shoot it. We can headspace it too.
                          Will do thanks!

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                          • #14
                            SJgunguy24
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • May 2008
                            • 14849

                            Post pics of the gas piston head and the inside of the gas block. Pull the firing pin and see if the bolt will lock up with a live round into the trunion without the carrier. It should turn and lock up pretty solid, if not it's a headspace issue. Me thinks it's in the piston head.
                            There are 3 kinds of people in this world.
                            The wise, learn from the mistakes of others.
                            The smart, learn from their own mistakes.
                            The others, well......they just never learn.

                            "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death!"
                            Patrick Henry.

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                            • #15
                              nagorb
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 4355

                              Took it over to JamesYs place, ended up being the piston, we replaced it with a new one and it cycles smoothly now.

                              Thanks again James!

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