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  • #31
    VaderSpade
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Mar 2009
    • 4274

    I think I have this figured out. It is slow going, but cheaper than a CNC.



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    • #32
      krazy
      Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 162

      That'd be awesome! Do post pics! Rhodium solution is expensive as is, i cant believe how much precious metal prices have gone up. Good for our business though, which is weird.

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      • #33
        VaderSpade
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Mar 2009
        • 4274

        Well I think I got this whipped.

        Here's the latest;
        The markings seem as deep as any store bought lower (they are deeper than they look in the photos). This is as deep as I can make them with these stencils. The dots in the a's and e's start to lift off at this point. I have some fine jewelry tools; I may mess around with making the serial numbers a little deeper. It should be easy to follow what's here.

        I put the name and city to the right above the selector.


        Driver’s side.


        Passenger’s side.

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        • #34
          Rukus
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 2387

          Looks great VS! Makes me wish I had the tools to do my own 80%
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          • #35
            VaderSpade
            Vendor/Retailer
            • Mar 2009
            • 4274

            A few tips in response to some questions I've received.

            A cheap NON automatic automobile battery charger 12 volt, 10 amp should work fine.

            An automatic automobile battery charger would read a dead short and turn itself off.

            One thing I learned the hard way is that the positive side needs to be connected to the lower and the negative side to the Q-Tip. I got it backward once and it ate away the clip holding the Q-Tip, and barely marked the work piece (in this case just a piece of scrap).

            If the bare clip touches bare metal there will be sparks, tape off the surrounding area.

            I recommend testing any setup on a piece of scrap before trying it on a lower.

            If I have the time, and you post pictures of the results here I will cut a few stencils if you have an 80% ready to go. I don't want to be cutting stencils for anyone that MAY one day want to mark a lower.
            Priority will be given to builders that have shared there knowledge and experience here on the boards.

            I will cut text only (no time for art work). PM for details, but note that deer season starts on Sept. 19th, and I plan to spend all my extra time hunting, so I will need to squeeze this in.

            At some point in the near future I will post pictures and instructions on how to place and "weed" the stencils. You will need VERY strong reading glasses.

            Example of text;

            Manufacture
            City State
            Model
            Caliber
            serial #

            Max is 10 maybe 12 letters/numbers per line.

            If you want room for art work the Manufacture and city should be moved to above the hammer pin/selector area.

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            • #36
              FJKernel
              Junior Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 95

              Originally posted by VaderSpade
              I think I have this figured out. It is slow going, but cheaper than a CNC.



              Hey look, another use for the mag well plug!

              Looks great Vader! Good use of the 7075 scrap too.

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              • #37
                JagerTroop
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2007
                • 3922

                Nice job Vader.

                I recently did some etching on a friends revolver. This technique works on brass as well, but I modified the electrolyte solution a little (saltwater and vinegar). check it out. It looks a little pitted, but in person it looks great. The macro function on my camera picks up more detail than the naked eye.
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                • #38
                  Grumpyoldretiredcop
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 6437

                  Finally got mine etched tonight, thanks to VaderSpade. Should look pretty good after cleanup. I used a 12 volt, 0.75 amp power supply from my junkbox.

                  I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!

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                  • #39
                    MrNiceGuy
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 2428

                    That's awesome work Grump!
                    Did you use a stencil or photo resist paper?
                    The Q-tip method right?
                    What was the salt to water ratio?
                    I plan to do mine this weekend......want to make sure I don't screw it up.

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                    • #40
                      Grumpyoldretiredcop
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 6437

                      Used a vinyl stencil that VaderSpade was kind enough to make up for me and the Q-tip method, although I used regular vinegar instead of white (that's what I had on hand). About 1/2 teaspoon of salt in a 3-ounce cup of vinegar. I washed the receiver in detergent afterwards, followed by spraying with contact cleaner to ensure that no acid residue remained.

                      Note: That vinegar/salt mix will eat the bottom out of a 3-ounce Dixie cup in a couple of hours. My workbench might never be the same - it'll certainly never smell quite the same...
                      I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!

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                      • #41
                        VaderSpade
                        Vendor/Retailer
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 4274

                        Originally posted by Grumpyoldretiredcop
                        Note: That vinegar/salt mix will eat the bottom out of a 3-ounce Dixie cup in a couple of hours. My workbench might never be the same - it'll certainly never smell quite the same...
                        I just learned on Saturday that it will also eat a spoon that was left in a glass. It was a silver plated spoon and the plating was left behind, and was quite thick, so I filed this fact away as a good way to recover silver. Then I had a little fun. My girlfriend made her famous “killer chili” for the Super bowl, I palmed the half eaten spoon, when she turned away I dipped it in the chili and pulled it out as she turned back. What did you put in this stuff I asked???
                        Last edited by VaderSpade; 02-09-2010, 10:01 AM.

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                        • #42
                          goober
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 4875

                          lol nice trick
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                          • #43
                            sv_1
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 525

                            Originally posted by VaderSpade

                            What did you do to get that finish on the aluminum?

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                            • #44
                              VaderSpade
                              Vendor/Retailer
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 4274

                              Originally posted by sv_1
                              What did you do to get that finish on the aluminum?
                              Blasted with glass beads in a cheap Harbor Freight blast cabinet.

                              I have since learned blasting is not necessary if you etch before anodizing. Etching leave a nicer finish.

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                              • #45
                                goober
                                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                                CGN Contributor
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 4875

                                Originally posted by VaderSpade
                                Blasted with glass beads in a cheap Harbor Freight blast cabinet.

                                I have since learned blasting is not necessary if you etch before anodizing. Etching leave a nicer finish.
                                yup. 30 seconds to a few minutes in some NaOH (lye) will produce a nice matte surface after ano & dye, providing the part has been prepped, with all blemishes and undesirable surface imperfections smoothed out. ano does not hide anything.
                                parts must be CLEAN and OIL FREE.
                                its a good practice to desmut in a ferric acid based solution after etch, especially for some alloys w/ lots of non-Al content such as 2024. not absolutely vital for 6000 & 7000 series alloys, but won't hurt.
                                always DI rinse between baths! and keep part wet/submerged in DI if it will not go directly into next bath after rinse.
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