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  • USMCM16A2
    Banned
    • Jul 2006
    • 4941

    .308 Winchester loads in 7.62 NATO chamber. AR10 DPMS pattern.

    Last edited by USMCM16A2; 06-23-2021, 6:56 PM.
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    Sailormilan2
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2006
    • 3452

    Did you buy just a barrel, or, a complete gun? It may be marked 7.62, but cut to .308 specs. To know for sure, you need to check the headspace.
    Generally speaking, you can fire commercial brass in a NATO chamber at least once. Though case stretch may be excessive. If you reload, then you'll need to back the die off so you don't set the shoulder back. Which would case excessive brass working. Of course, it you do that, you may not be able to use that ammo in another .308 which has a SAAMI cut chamber.

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    • #3
      tabascoz28
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2016
      • 3364

      I have been told, don't shoot 556 in a 223 barrel and don't shoot 308 in a 762 nato barrel. Do so at your own risk. The pressures are actually higher in a 308 and I'm guessing is maximized for hunting purposes.

      If you make your own nato stuff then that's a different story. I only have 308 barrels and only work with nato brass in my semi stuff to cover my butt.

      My bolt action rounds are near max but are clearly in a separate box using different projectiles.

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      • #4
        smoothy8500
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 3846

        Originally posted by USMCM16A2

        NATO spec brass, once fired full length resized, 45.5gr of CFE 223, 2805fps 168gr Hornady BTHP,

        I follow Hornady’s guidelines for .308 Winchester
        I don't think that is Hornady's Service Rifle data-That's a little hot in NATO cases. I'm assuming 308 AR and not M1A Scout Squad, correct?

        Your 7.62 AR chamber probably will be a little more generous in diameter, and "may" have the shoulder datum that is .002-.004" longer. I have found most 7.62 marked AR barrels will pass the 308 NO-GO (not close) test. However, I have no experience with this Wilson barrel.

        Regardless, when re-sizing 308/7.62 for semi-auto I always measure fired cases and bump the shoulder back .003" (I know F. Guffey will arrive any moment now to pontificate on "bump" and Headspace).
        Last edited by smoothy8500; 06-23-2021, 3:14 PM.

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        • #5
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 57049

          What platform?
          An AR type 308 sized bolt is strong enough to shoot 308.
          An M14 bolt is strong enough but the action won't like the higher gas port pressure of 308 loads vs the lower gas port pressure of 7.62x51 loads.
          Randall Rausch

          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
          Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
          Most work performed while-you-wait.

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          • #6
            FLIGHT762
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 3069

            My Remington custom shop 40XBKS barrel is marked "7.62NATO". It's no different than any other of my 308 win. bolt rifles. Fired cases come out @ 1.633"- 634".

            Your Wilson barrel will probably be well within 308 Winchester headspace specs.

            Is this barrel for a bolt gun?

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            • #7
              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 57049

              Originally posted by FLIGHT762
              My Remington custom shop 40XBKS barrel is marked "7.62NATO".
              Fired cases come out @ 1.633"- 634".
              Sloppy chamber.
              No need for it to be any longer than 1.632"...
              Randall Rausch

              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
              Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
              Most work performed while-you-wait.

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              • #8
                Featureless
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Mar 2018
                • 2267

                Question: Which came first the 7.62 or the .308?
                California Native
                Lifelong Gun Owner
                NRA Member
                CRPA Member

                ....."He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."

                Declaration of Independence, 1776

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                • #9
                  USMCM16A2
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 4941

                  Randall,


                  DPMS pattern, I only have standard .308 head space gauges. I called Wilson Arms today, but I didn’t hear back. A2




                  PS AR10 DPMS.

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                  • #10
                    pacrat
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • May 2014
                    • 10277

                    Originally posted by Featureless
                    Question: Which came first the 7.62 or the .308?
                    Win introduced the .308, 2 yrs prior to US using 7.62x51.

                    1952 v 1954

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                    • #11
                      smoothy8500
                      Veteran Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 3846

                      Originally posted by USMCM16A2
                      I only have standard .308 head space gauges.
                      All along you had the gauges? You could have checked it out in the time it took to write the question ....

                      Regardless, the 308 AR will handle your reloads without any issues.
                      Last edited by smoothy8500; 06-23-2021, 11:31 PM.

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                      • #12
                        USMCM16A2
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 4941

                        Ok guys, I used my .308 gauges to check the chamber. Go Gauge, perfect, closed 1.630 gauge length. No Go, wouldn’t close! 1.634 gauge length. NATO Go Gauge 1.6355, No GO is 1.638! It’s a .308 chamber. Maybe a hybrid chamber. A2

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                        • #13
                          hermosabeach
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 19166

                          brownells take

                          Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                          Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                          Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                          Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
                          (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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                          • #14
                            tabascoz28
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2016
                            • 3364

                            I was also going to say metallurgy. Think Ruger loads vs other guns?

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                            • #15
                              apes
                              Member
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 159

                              7.62 MG ammo

                              How does 7.62 MG ammo filter into this? I understand that the case length may be to 7.62 specs but is MG ammo loaded to higher than M14 7.62 specs due to the M60 etc actions?

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