Slide swap

[rplaw]

I'm on a roll, 2 gunsmithing threads in 2 days...

Anyway:


I WANT WANT WAAAAANT!!!!! a 9mm Commander 1911. Not available in CA to us worthless proles unless for an outrageous private party transfer pricetag for a BBQ gun that's not really suited for an EDC because it's going to get beat up.

So...

How difficult would it be to swap the govt length 5" slide and barrel for the Commander 4" on a Springfield Loaded Stainless target Pl9134L? (It's 1 of 2 that are Ca compliant.)


Expensive for a 'smith to do it? Estimated cost?

[Sailormilan2]

[CifaldiPrecision]

[rplaw]

The problem with rebarreling 38 super to 9mm is that my issuing agency won't let me carry it.

Changing the caliber would be "manufacturing" a new pistol. Changing the slide length without changing the caliber is merely a modification to an existing firearm to make it easier to conceal.

As a last resort I could probably send it to the manufacturer's custom shop for the conversion using their factory parts. Or buy the parts and have them fitted / fit them myself. The gun I want exists, it's just not Ca legal.

[CifaldiPrecision]

Wait a minute. Are you LEO? If so your roster exempt and can buy what you want.


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[rplaw]

Wait a minute. Are you LEO? If so your roster exempt and can buy what you want.


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No, I'm a permitted CCW.

[CifaldiPrecision]

[bohoki]

The problem with rebarreling 38 super to 9mm is that my issuing agency won't let me carry it.

Changing the caliber would be "manufacturing" a new pistol. Changing the slide length without changing the caliber is merely a modification to an existing firearm to make it easier to conceal.

As a last resort I could probably send it to the manufacturer's custom shop for the conversion using their factory parts. Or buy the parts and have them fitted / fit them myself. The gun I want exists, it's just not Ca legal.

i dont think you have the legal authority to make such a ruling

[ar15barrels]

The problem with rebarreling 38 super to 9mm is that my issuing agency won't let me carry it.

Easy solution assuming the caliber marking is only on the barrel:
Buy it.
Convert it to 9mm.
Pawn it as a 9mm.
Pawn return it to yourself.

Now it's in the DES database as a 9mm the last time you acquired it.

Markings are indeed on the barrel:

http://firearmsandtraining.gunetools.com/2009/02/rechambering-kimber-pro-carry-hd-ii.html

[ar15barrels]

Or re-purchase it.
Two PPT's will get it turned into a 9mm in DES as well but a pawn return is usually cheaper.

[rplaw]

The pawn/double PPT things are "games" that my IA won't stand for. They aren't stupid and this county actually does investigate everything on the application.

Trust me, I know. My only real recourse is to change the barrel length but keep it the same caliber as manufactured and imported into Ca. All that technically does is swap the std slide/bbl for "different" ones. It's more involved than merely changing out sights, but it's still just a mod instead of "altering" the gun by changing it's caliber.

[rplaw]

i dont think you have the legal authority to make such a ruling

I don't need "legal authority." I know the rules my county mandates for CCW permittees and those rules don't allow what's being proposed.

On the other hand, if anyone else wants to try it, I'm not going to stand in their way. Just don't call me for bail money.

[ar15barrels]

The pawn/double PPT things are "games" that my IA won't stand for.
They aren't stupid and this county actually does investigate everything on the application.

You should just PPT an off-roster gun that's configured how you want.
That way, it's only DROSed to you once so there's no "games" for them to investigate.

[ar15barrels]

Just don't call me for bail money.

hahaha

I'm pretty sure you have to do something illegal before bail money is a concern.
There's NOTHING illegal about converting the caliber of a gun or of double PPTing a gun or pawn returning a gun.
They are just legal methods of correcting the DES.

[rplaw]

hahaha

I'm pretty sure you have to do something illegal before bail money is a concern.
There's NOTHING illegal about converting the caliber of a gun or of double PPTing a gun or pawn returning a gun.
They are just legal methods of correcting the DES.

*shrug*

We're not talking about "correcting the DES." My IA doesn't allow "modified" firearms to be carried. Plain, simple, and unambiguous.

If you believe that altering the caliber and then double transferring the arm to change it in the database isn't a "modification", then in your mind, it's not. Unfortunately for me, you're not my IA who DOES believe it's a "modification" and won't allow it. He's been fairly consistent on what that means and, since he's the ultimate authority on who gets to play or not, I stay well within the lines demarcated by his rules.

YMMV.