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  • StandardFinn
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    • Feb 2020
    • 211

    Glossy Lacquer to Matte, or remove?

    Is there any way to scuff or de-gloss a high gloss lacquer finish on a 15+ yr old stock/fore arm?

    And if there isn't a relatively simple (sanding with high grit, 1000+, or something) do I need to completely strip the lacquer and refinish with my desired matte look?
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    ar15barrels
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 57038

    You can lacquer over lacquer.
    The new lacquer bonds to the old lacquer.
    Mix up the new lacquer with something to make it more matte.
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    • #3
      Reecek
      • Dec 2012
      • 844

      ScotchBrite?

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      • #4
        'ol shooter
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2011
        • 4646

        Even the finest Scotchbrite pad is too coarse and will leave visible scratches.
        I use Mr. Clean Magic Eraser pads, a super fine abrasive impregnated foam pad that will render it to a soft satin. This Mauser was glossy Tru-Oil before a light rubdown with the pad.

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          StandardFinn
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          • Feb 2020
          • 211

          Originally posted by ar15barrels
          You can lacquer over lacquer.
          The new lacquer bonds to the old lacquer.
          Mix up the new lacquer with something to make it more matte.
          Interesting thought....there's a few nicks in the finish, wondering if that matters. Thanks for the suggestion.

          Originally posted by 'ol shooter
          Even the finest Scotchbrite pad is too coarse and will leave visible scratches.
          I use Mr. Clean Magic Eraser pads, a super fine abrasive impregnated foam pad that will render it to a soft satin. This Mauser was glossy Tru-Oil before a light rubdown with the pad.
          This isn't an oil finish though, so I'm not quite sure if the principles would be the same - those magic eraser pads have cleaning agents in them that likely ate up some of the oil left on the surface of your mauser. Beautiful gun though! I love the dark stock.

          My shotgun has a hard lacquer high gloss finish on it meant to protect it from the elements, which an oil finish doesn't do. I don't need the water protection since it's just a sporting gun for me, it's a field model so it came like that from a while ago.

          Anyhow, I'll have to look into it more - Thanks for the input gentlemen.

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            'ol shooter
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            • Mar 2011
            • 4646

            Tru-Oil has little actual oil, mostly synthetic, and abrasive is abrasive. Tru-Oil is a hard finish when it cures. It will work the same on any shiny finish. This is what's in Tru-Oil:
            tru oil composition.JPG
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              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 57038

              Originally posted by 'ol shooter
              Tru-Oil has little actual oil, mostly synthetic, and abrasive is abrasive. Tru-Oil is a hard finish when it cures. It will work the same on any shiny finish. This is what's in Tru-Oil:
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              And for anyone not aware, stoddard solvent is also known as mineral spirits.
              Randall Rausch

              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
              Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
              Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                'ol shooter
                Veteran Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 4646

                Exactly, it's the carrier and flashes off, that's how it dries. I usually dilute Tru-Oil about 20% with real Mineral Spirits for better flow.
                Last edited by 'ol shooter; 03-18-2021, 11:18 PM.
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                • #9
                  sonofeugene
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 4348

                  Try sand blasting it. But hold the nozzle far away from the stock and turn the pressure down.
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                    StandardFinn
                    Member
                    • Feb 2020
                    • 211

                    Hmm, well isn't Tru Oil still an Oil finish once the mineral spirits flash off? It hardens like a linseed or Tung oil finish over time with multiple applications and curing. I am not super familiar with wood finishings so this is all useful information. But that's my curiosity with the magic eraser pads, I am not sure they'd have the same effect on a lacquer finish vs. an oil based finish.

                    I don't have a sand blaster eugene, but that is an interesting thought, might be too abrasive.

                    I did read somewhere that using paste wax and a 0000 steel wool might work also...or would even that be too abrasive? Or wet sanding with like 1200 or 2000 grit paper?

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