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  • jdewolf
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 1846

    ar15 eating gas rings

    The 1st set of rings didn't last too long. Maybe 1k rounds before I noticed 1 out of the 3 rings was completely gone. Where it went is up to the imagination.

    I replaced the rings with a random set I had laying around.

    That set of rings maybe lasted about 1k. I went to clean up the bcg/bolt and it was just flopping around like a dead fish in the carrier. They were very much worn down.

    The funny thing is that the rifle [even with 2 rings] never stopped operating. Still cycled just fine.

    When I was cleaning up the carrier I noticed a lot of scoring marks within the bcg run [picture attached].

    Is the carrier itself just f'd or should I just replace the rings with a quality set [like Sprinco] and hope for the best?
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  • #2
    sigstroker
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2009
    • 19573

    Do the test like the youtube SOTAR videos show. Stand the bcg up on the bolt on a table and see if gravity is enough to make it slide down on the bolt. If it does, it's out of spec and you prob need a new carrier.

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    • #3
      ar15barrels
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2006
      • 57087

      The bore of that carrier is crap.
      It looks like it never got honed.
      The rings are getting slowly abraded away by the bore roughness.
      I would replace the carrier.

      What brand/make/manufacturer is it?
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      • #4
        G-forceJunkie
        Calguns Addict
        • Jul 2010
        • 6304

        Whoes bolt and carrier? Mystery gunshow bcg? I would start by mic'ing thebolt and carrier to see if they are the proper size. Then compare the surface finish of the carrier to a know good one to see if it is excessively rough. My money is on the carrier being oversized or rough.

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        • #5
          BajaJames83
          Calguns Addict
          • Jun 2011
          • 6033

          That's pretty low round count. Who made that BCG?
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          • #6
            ar15barrels
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2006
            • 57087

            Originally posted by G-forceJunkie
            Whoes bolt and carrier? Mystery gunshow bcg? I would start by mic'ing thebolt and carrier to see if they are the proper size. Then compare the surface finish of the carrier to a know good one to see if it is excessively rough. My money is on the carrier being oversized or rough.
            From the photo, it looks like it was never honed.
            The bore looks reamed.
            The carrier looks like one of the crappy nickel plated ones.
            A legit milspec carrier would be honed before it was chrome lined.
            They use the less expensive nickel plating on the whole carrier to avoid having to chrome line the bore and then parkerize the exterior.
            Skipping honing also reduces the cost.
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            Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
            Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
            Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
            Most work performed while-you-wait.

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            • #7
              jdewolf
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 1846

              It's a PSA premium bcg, got it on sale back in the day (it was like 75 bucks). I kind of regret that decision now...
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              • #8
                The War Wagon
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                • Apr 2011
                • 10294

                Originally posted by jdewolf
                It's a PSA premium bcg, got it on sale back in the day (it was like 75 bucks). I kind of regret that decision now...
                That's "PREMIUM?!"

                PSA is nice, and friendly, but they are NOT, "top tier." FYI.
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                • #9
                  jdewolf
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 1846

                  Lol. Their name/description, not mine.
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                  • #10
                    jdewolf
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 1846

                    Originally posted by ar15barrels
                    From the photo, it looks like it was never honed.
                    The bore looks reamed.
                    The carrier looks like one of the crappy nickel plated ones.
                    A legit milspec carrier would be honed before it was chrome lined.
                    They use the less expensive nickel plating on the whole carrier to avoid having to chrome line the bore and then parkerize the exterior.
                    Skipping honing also reduces the cost.
                    Thanks for the response. It's a PSA "Premium" MPI/HPT BCG. It's advertised as phosphate ext/chrome lined int. I sent a message to PSA to see if they will remedy the situation. I purchased it as a backup assembly when it was on sale like 6yrs ago. It recently got put into service and that's when all the problems started making themselves evident.
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                    • #11
                      sigstroker
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                      • Jan 2009
                      • 19573

                      I have one of those and it's fine. Any individual part can be bad, even big money stuff. You should see the crappy KAC parts examined by SOTAR.

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                      • #12
                        G-forceJunkie
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 6304

                        PSA has a good warranty, send it back.

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                        • #13
                          jdewolf
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 1846

                          Originally posted by G-forceJunkie
                          PSA has a good warranty, send it back.
                          Submitted a request for repair/replacement. With the massive run on parts... I don't see myself getting a replacement. We'll see tho
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                          • #14
                            jdewolf
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 1846

                            Originally posted by sigstroker
                            I have one of those and it's fine. Any individual part can be bad, even big money stuff. You should see the crappy KAC parts examined by SOTAR.
                            I like watching SOTAR videos. I have no idea why... but it's somewhat relaxing.
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                            • #15
                              Pofoo
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 1679

                              Originally posted by jdewolf
                              Submitted a request for repair/replacement. With the massive run on parts... I don't see myself getting a replacement. We'll see tho
                              If this doesn't work out, you could try honing it.
                              Maybe a car brake hone?

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