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  • Usmc0844spare
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2016
    • 1318

    Barrel threading - how?

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    fast54vw
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 637

    Just google cutting threads in a leave. Depending on what gear ratios the lathe has set up And the speed the lead screw is turning will make the cutter move exactly the same every time
    NRA Life Member

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    • #3
      Usmc0844spare
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2016
      • 1318

      Originally posted by fast54vw
      Just google cutting threads in a leave. Depending on what gear ratios the lathe has set up And the speed the lead screw is turning will make the cutter move exactly the same every time

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      • #4
        randomBytes
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2012
        • 1607

        Single point thread cutting is a very common operation on a lathe.
        It's easy once you get the hang of it, but you always need to pay attention.
        And yes, there is a drive shaft that drives the carriage at the correct speed
        to cut a given pitch thread.

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        • #5
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 57172

          Most lathes have 2 gearboxes.
          The first gearbox sits between the motor and the spindle and determines the spindle rpm.
          The 2nd gearbox is fed FROM the spindle and turns a leadscrew known as the feedscrew.
          The gearbox sets the pitch relation between spindle and carriage.
          The carriage is what carries the cutter across the part.

          In use, you have a threading dial that has a series of numbers like 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8.
          You pick a number and stay with the number through all the cutter passes and the cutter will follow the same path.

          So if I am cutting 1"x16 threads for a tikka, I cut a 1" diameter thread tennon and then cut 16 pitch threads on it.
          The thread cutter is placed in position near the end of the tennon and then you watch the threading dial until your chosen number is approaching and then you engage the feedscrew as the dial comes to your chosen number.
          When the feed screw is engaged, the carriage (and therefore the cutter) advances across the part being machined until the feedscrew is disengaged.
          After disengaging the feedscrew, the cutter is re-positioned to the starting side and run through the same process until the threads are complete.

          You definitely do NOT remove the part from the lathe setup in the middle of threading as it's more difficult to "catch" an existing thread and follow it.
          Randall Rausch

          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
          Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
          Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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          • #6
            geedavell
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2011
            • 1820

            Originally posted by ar15barrels
            Most lathes have 2 gearboxes.

            You definitely do NOT remove the part from the lathe setup in the middle of threading as it's more difficult to "catch" an existing thread and follow it.
            And you never take your machine "out of gear" to spin the chuck by hand.
            Ask me how i know!

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            • #7
              67Cuda
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2013
              • 1718

              Originally posted by ar15barrels
              In use, you have a threading dial that has a series of numbers like 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8.
              Lathes are different, mine is even threads on any line, odd threads on numbered only.
              Originally posted by ivanimal
              People that call other member stupid get time off.
              So much for being honest.

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              • #8
                Dgr1dman
                Member
                • Jun 2016
                • 143

                Originally posted by 67Cuda
                Lathes are different, mine is even threads on any line, odd threads on numbered only.

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                • #9
                  ar15barrels
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 57172

                  Originally posted by 67Cuda
                  Lathes are different, mine is even threads on any line, odd threads on numbered only.
                  Mine is like that too, but it's still a "best practice" to stick to the same start number vs using different numbers because using the same number guarantees you catch the same start on the leadscrew.
                  Also no need to confuse someone with minutiae that was asking the most basic question.
                  Randall Rausch

                  AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                  Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                  Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                  Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                  Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                  • #10
                    ar15barrels
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 57172

                    Originally posted by Dgr1dman
                    Metric is a whole different game on standard lathes!
                    oh yeah baby.
                    Engage the nut once and never disengage until the threads are done!
                    Randall Rausch

                    AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                    Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                    Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                    Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                    Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                    • #11
                      baih777
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 5680

                      Easiest.
                      Take your barrel to Randall to have it threaded.
                      And watch.

                      Setting the barrel up to the axis of the barrel bore . Is key to getting it straight.
                      Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
                      I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
                      I'm Back.

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                      • #12
                        Usmc0844spare
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2016
                        • 1318

                        Thanks all... found a basic youtube vid on threading and it all makes a lot more sense now. In laymans terms, there is a physical link between the chuck and the carriage that basically enables the machine to mechanically do the same motions each time.

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                        • #13
                          kcstott
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 11796

                          I remember my trade school days and the lathe single point lecture and demo day. I just took what the instructors said as gospel as i didn't know enough to ask a question let alone argue.
                          follow the direction in the book, that's all we could do. 30 years later it's like looking back on when you learned to walk

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                          • #14
                            kendog4570
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 5180

                            All lathes will cut the thread pitch of the lead screw, and MULTIPLES of that pitch, when closing the half nuts any place on the screw.
                            Rule of thumb for closing half nuts:
                            Even No of threads/any line
                            Odd No of threads/any number
                            Multiples/any place


                            Not so sure about division numbers Example 8tpi lead screw/4tpi thread wont work on my lathe. Yours may be different.

                            8, 16, 32, 64,128, 256 works OK on mine. Haven't had the occasion to cut 128's or finer yet!

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                            • #15
                              kcstott
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 11796

                              Originally posted by kendog4570
                              All lathes will cut the thread pitch of the lead screw, and MULTIPLES of that pitch, when closing the half nuts any place on the screw.
                              Rule of thumb for closing half nuts:
                              Even No of threads/any line
                              Odd No of threads/any number
                              Multiples/any place


                              Not so sure about division numbers Example 8tpi lead screw/4tpi thread wont work on my lathe. Yours may be different.

                              8, 16, 32, 64,128, 256 works OK on mine. Haven't had the occasion to cut 128's or finer yet!

                              My machine will do from 8 to 56 with no gear changes. with gear swaps I can go to as little as 2, 2.25, 2.5, 2.75, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5. 5.5 tpi including the odd ball 19 tpi
                              I can also swap gears to do metric from .11 to 2.56 mm pitch.

                              6 TPI lead screw on my machine.

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