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  • SandBlastedSkin
    Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 249

    P80 PF940C Build: Slide Not Cycling

    Got done with this build, sanded and polished the crap out of the rails, made sure I removed all necessary material and probably a little extra, took it out for its maiden voyage.... and it's single shot. lol

    The slide doesn't even recoil enough to eject the round 98% of the time (it has ejected the round once out of about 50 attempted rounds so far).

    I'm at a loss as to what the problem is. Spring rate? I don't know. There does seem to be a little friction still, but not enough where I'd think it has the chance to stop the recoil an inch into it's travel.

    Here's a list of the relevant parts:

    Lone Wolf Enhanced Trigger Parts Kit
    Shadow Systems Slide Kit & Recoil Spring Assembly
    L2D Slide
    True Precision Barrel

    Tried three different magazine, happened with every one.

    A picture of about how far the slide gets every time is attached.

    Anyone have any advice on what I should try? My next thought would be to start replacing the internals with standard Glock parts, but I'm not so sure that'd do the trick?

    TIA
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  • #2
    Troublez323
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2017
    • 1

    Its this the v2v or 1.5

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    • #3
      SandBlastedSkin
      Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 249

      Not sure. What's the difference? How can I tell?

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      • #4
        shafferds
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2008
        • 1970

        Use factory oem glock parts. Lone wolf parts are alot of the issue in these builds due to out of spec.

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        • #5
          NoHeavyHitter
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 2876

          Make certain that you've fully removed all required material from the recoil spring channel. When you cycle it by hand, you should be able to detect drag or hang ups..

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          • #6
            SandBlastedSkin
            Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 249

            I really thought I have, but I may revisit it this weekend and take out a little more. If the slide only cycles about an inch, that makes it hard to believe it's an internal component issue, but that will definitely be my next step if it's not an interference issue.

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            • #7
              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 57011

              Originally posted by SandBlastedSkin
              Got done with this build, sanded and polished the crap out of the rails, made sure I removed all necessary material and probably a little extra, took it out for its maiden voyage.... and it's single shot. lol

              The slide doesn't even recoil enough to eject the round 98% of the time (it has ejected the round once out of about 50 attempted rounds so far).

              I'm at a loss as to what the problem is. Spring rate? I don't know. There does seem to be a little friction still, but not enough where I'd think it has the chance to stop the recoil an inch into it's travel.

              Here's a list of the relevant parts:

              Lone Wolf Enhanced Trigger Parts Kit
              Shadow Systems Slide Kit & Recoil Spring Assembly
              L2D Slide
              True Precision Barrel

              Tried three different magazine, happened with every one.

              A picture of about how far the slide gets every time is attached.

              Anyone have any advice on what I should try? My next thought would be to start replacing the internals with standard Glock parts, but I'm not so sure that'd do the trick?

              TIA
              Use the process of elimination to figure out your problem.
              You will need a complete factory Glock to swap parts with.
              Start by stripping your frame down completely and installing ALL factory parts on it.
              If that functions correctly, start introducing one suspect part at a time.
              I would suggest the order to be slide, then the barrel, then the fire control group.
              The problem should appear when you install the bad part.
              The problem should go away when you remove the bad part and install a stock glock part.
              Randall Rausch

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              • #8
                AlHO1966
                Banned
                • Apr 2017
                • 492

                Switch to all factory parts, put extra lube on it, rack the slide by hand about 1000 times. That is if you’re not feeling friction while manually cycling the slide if you feel hang ups you probably need to remove more material from the recoil spring channel as you can see if you’ve removed enough from the rails.

                Then if you want to use aftermarket parts install one at a time. But why not just run stock glock parts?

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                • #9
                  SandBlastedSkin
                  Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 249

                  Originally posted by ar15barrels
                  Use the process of elimination to figure out your problem.
                  You will need a complete factory Glock to swap parts with.
                  Start by stripping your frame down completely and installing ALL factory parts on it.
                  If that functions correctly, start introducing one suspect part at a time.
                  I would suggest the order to be slide, then the barrel, then the fire control group.
                  The problem should appear when you install the bad part.
                  The problem should go away when you remove the bad part and install a stock glock part.
                  Only problem with that is I would need a complete factory Glock, and I don't know anyone that has one that could loan it to me.

                  Originally posted by AlHO1966
                  Then if you want to use aftermarket parts install one at a time. But why not just run stock glock parts?
                  If I knew then what I know now, I would have. I was unaware these third party kits would be a downgrade in quality.

                  Seems to me my next course of action is to see about removing a little more material, then if that doesn't work start replacing parts with OEM and hopefully that takes care of the issue.

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                  • #10
                    mitch1
                    Member
                    • Aug 2016
                    • 406

                    My opinion, polymer 80 had a lot of problems with the rear rails, contact them about this. The problems were in the bend at the rail causing binding.
                    What pound recoil spring did you get? There are 11# thru 22#, usually color coded on aftermarket. Also check and make sure the guide rod is not binding, both internally(spring retainer to shaft) and externally(where you milled the channel)
                    As for the V2 vs V1.5, you have a PF940C which are all V2

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                    • #11
                      ar15barrels
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 57011

                      Originally posted by SandBlastedSkin
                      Only problem with that is I would need a complete factory Glock, and I don't know anyone that has one that could loan it to me.
                      This is what's called a learning moment.

                      The normal practice when building guns is to have a completely functional factory sample as a reference.
                      Then you have a "known good" set of parts that you can take measurements and borrow parts to check fitting as you go through the build process.

                      You are basically working blind so you don't have a way to actually know for sure what part is the problem.
                      This normally results in cutting the wrong places and ending up with a scrapped reciever.
                      People will sometimes destroy 2 or 3 of them until they figure out the problem without a factory gun to compare against.
                      Randall Rausch

                      AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                      Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                      Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                      Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                      Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                      • #12
                        johnk518
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2018
                        • 978

                        have you checked the height of the takedown spring? They catch on the guide rod spring. File it down if so.

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                        • #13
                          rights
                          Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 168

                          Sand out the channel were the guide rod and spring go take off a little bit at a time had the same problem

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                          • #14
                            SVT-40
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 12894

                            Take some pic's of the recoil spring area, as in the pic's below. Many guys don't remove enough material as in the first pic. Make sure the recoil spring recess looks like the second two pics.

                            Also make sure the spring for the slide latch is pushed fully down into it's recess. None of it should be above the polymer where the recoil spring and guide seat. You may need to remove just a bit of the tail of this spring so it fully seats below the recoil spring and guide.







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                            • #15
                              BajaJames83
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 6029

                              thats a hard guess as others said with nothing factory matching spec you have nowhere to start from.
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