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  • JagerDog
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    • May 2011
    • 15239

    Potential stupid ?

    Can a pre '64 Mod 70 in .264 Win Mag with an eroded throat be opened to .338 Win mag or is that a fool's errand?

    The math appears to work, but I've no idea of the process.

    Advantage/disadvantage vs. rebarreling to .338?


    Ballpark cost (either path) ?
    Last edited by JagerDog; 01-31-2019, 9:06 PM.
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    justMike
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 789

    I don't see how the the math works out when you have two different bore diameters, unless you're talking a new barrel.

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    • #3
      ar15barrels
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      • Jan 2006
      • 57159

      Originally posted by JagerDog
      Can a pre '64 Mod 70 in .264 Win Mag with an eroded throat be opened to .338 Win mag or is that a fool's errand?

      The math appears to work, but I've no idea of the process.

      Advantage/disadvantage vs. rebarreling to .338?

      Ballpark cost (either path) ?
      What you are asking about is called reboring.
      Then after boring, the barrel gets rifled and then rechambered.
      This is usually only done on guns where you want to retain the original barrel exterior and markings, but you want to go to a larger bore to eliminate the worn out smaller bore.




      6.5 up to 338 is 5 steps up.
      You would be better to go to a 7mm mag or a 300 mag.
      Last edited by ar15barrels; 01-31-2019, 9:37 PM.
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      • #4
        JagerDog
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        • May 2011
        • 15239

        Originally posted by justMike
        I don't see how the the math works out when you have two different bore diameters, unless you're talking a new barrel.
        By math, I mean there's material (much is identical except bore diameter)
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        • #5
          JagerDog
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          • May 2011
          • 15239

          Originally posted by ar15barrels
          What you are asking about is called reboring.
          Then after boring, the barrel gets rifled and then rechambered.
          This is usually only done on guns where you want to retain the original barrel exterior and markings, but you want to go to a larger bore to eliminate the worn out smaller bore.


          http://www.cutrifle.com/reboring.html
          Yes.

          There's a certain sympathy to the original rifle, but not a deal breaker.

          End results (accuracy) compromised? (seems not compared to original)

          Metallurgy of early 60's inferior?

          Idea of costs on either method? (I see $250 listed...that's seems too reasonable...must be more to it???)
          Last edited by JagerDog; 01-31-2019, 10:10 PM.
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          • #6
            JagerDog
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            • May 2011
            • 15239

            Originally posted by ar15barrels

            6.5 up to 338 is 5 steps up.
            You would be better to go to a 7mm mag or a 300 mag.
            I have another pre-64 (featherweight) in .264. I have a "classic" in .300. 7mm doesn't buy me anything really. The "concept" was to basically turn the "Westerner" into an "Alaskan", keeping with the family of Win Mags which came out of together (.264, .338, .458 "African" ). I seriously doubt I'll be using a .458 unless I win the Lotto.
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            • #7
              Spyder
              CGN Contributor
              • Mar 2008
              • 17167

              Originally posted by JagerDog
              I seriously doubt I'll be using a .458 unless I win the Lotto.

              I've used my 458 WinMag for cottontail.

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              • #8
                edgerly779
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                • Aug 2009
                • 19871

                Not much meat left on the barrel. Rebarrel or go with Randalls suggestion.

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                • #9
                  JagerDog
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                  • May 2011
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                  Originally posted by edgerly779
                  Not much meat left on the barrel. Rebarrel or go with Randalls suggestion.
                  Was a factory Mod 70 .338 a larger O.D. than a .264?

                  Stock is already glass bedded for this barrel.

                  Would be seeking "hunting accuracy".
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                  • #10
                    JagerDog
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                    • May 2011
                    • 15239

                    Originally posted by Spyder
                    I've used my 458 WinMag for cottontail.
                    I've killed jacks with .264. That was impressive. Are there even "varmint" bullets in .458?
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                    • #11
                      Sailormilan2
                      Veteran Member
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 3477

                      Originally posted by Spyder
                      I've used my 458 WinMag for cottontail.
                      Well, you certainly don't have to worry about them charging when wounded.

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                      • #12
                        LynnJr
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 7958

                        JagerDog
                        Give Cliff Lebounty a call.
                        He has done a few for a friend of mine and they shoot just fine.
                        If you don't need a new chamber it isn't that expensive.
                        If you start off with a 22BR going to 6BR or 25BR,7BR or 30BR is a breeze.
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                        • #13
                          Whiterabbit
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                          • Oct 2010
                          • 7592

                          Originally posted by JagerDog
                          I've killed jacks with .264. That was impressive. Are there even "varmint" bullets in .458?
                          All of them.

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                          • #14
                            Fjold
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                            • Oct 2005
                            • 23019

                            Reboring is a pain. It's easier to just spin on a new barrel. Saying that, reboring is just drilling the existing hole larger and then re-rifling the bore. For a .338, as long as the barrel wall thickness at the muzzle is about .125" or so (diameter of .588") it will work.

                            I bought a 458 Win Mag that had a .660" diameter barrel at the muzzle, which is .102" wall thickness and it was way too light up front. It jumped straight up when I shot it and tried to give me a black eye. I re-barreled it with a .750" muzzle diameter barrel and it's a lot nicer now.

                            You can shoot varmints with the 458 Win Mag, use the 250 grain Barnes TSX designed for the SoCom and 45.70, crank them up at 3,000 fps or so and they will demolish ground squirrels, jack rabbits, small cars, etc.
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