Rem 700 Feed Rails

[willidru]

I purchased at PTG blue printed Rem 700 SA earlier this year. I just had my stock come in and my barrel twisted on by a smith I use in Idaho. I just went out to do my barrel break-in and the single shots were fine (not pushed down onto the follower), but when I went for my 3 shot group it would not feed they rounds. The ramp isn't releasing the cartridge only feeding part way so feed rails aren't lettting case slip into the center of the ramp.

I have a factory Rem BDL with staggered feed set-up. I sent my smith some pics and he said it looks like the feed rails aren't cut for staggered feed and they need to be opened up. Another potential option is to go with a Wyatt CFE-6 box.

PTG said they would look at it and rework if necessary. I would have to pay shipping and not sure what turn around time would be.

Any advice on which way to go? Would shipping cost be equivalent to having a local smith (east bay) do the work?

[baih777]

PTG is slow. But excellent work.

Myself. I would buy PTG DBM that uses single stack AICS mags. But it would need to be inletted.

[baih777]

Post a pic.

[kcstott]

PTG is slow. But excellent work.

Myself. I would buy PTG DBM that uses single stack AICS mags. But it would need to be inletted.

Spend the extra money and buy Stiller bottom metal. and get
1. better parts,
2. fast shipping as when that say it's in stock it really is in stock.
3. No money will go into David Kiff's pocket.
4. if for any reason any thing should go wrong you have people that will do you right.
5. Factory inlet compatible.

You get what you pay for

[willidru]

Post a pic.

PTG is slow. But excellent work.

Myself. I would buy PTG DBM that uses single stack AICS mags. But it would need to be inletted.

Had McMillian inlet for Remington BDL. Would the inletting be able to look clean?

[willidru]

Spend the extra money and buy Stiller bottom metal. and get
1. better parts,
2. fast shipping as when that say it's in stock it really is in stock.
3. No money will go into David Kiff's pocket.
4. if for any reason any thing should go wrong you have people that will do you right.
5. Factory inlet compatible.

You get what you pay for

[willidru]

Post a pic.

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[kcstott]

I didn’t exactly go cheap on a hunting rifle.
Blue printed rem 700 action
Factory BDl
McMillian game scout CF stock
Hells Canyon armory CF barrel
Hawkins hybrid rings
Nightforce scope

Didn’t think those components would give me any issues

Look I'm merely pointing out the problems you will have with PTG. but if you think you have money tied up in a build get in line with the rest of us.

I've got $6K tied up in a Rem 700 .308 not counting my labor at about $2K worth of time. So talk is cheep and scotch costs money

Aside from the Factory action, McMillan stock, and NF scope All I'm seeing is flavor of the week crap. Two companies less that six years old and no real rep except on the Hide. I sure as hell would not buy a barrel from a shop with a six year history. I buy my barrels from a company that has trained other barrel makers, Holds more benchrest records than all others combined and don't charge more for a name.

Not to mention your smith don't know how to make a rifle feed. Never bothered to check before it left?? That's just crap work right there. You never mentioned caliber. So how the hell are we to help you when you leave the most important info of the list?? It looks like a wsm or some similar caliber, Thats going to take some time on the mill to fix.

Making rifles feed calibers they were not designed to feed can be simple or time consuming.

[willidru]

It’s a 6.5 CM

[kcstott]

OK a factory action should have been cut for a .308 but that don't mean thats true.

If you want to feed it from the factory bottom metal you will need some feed ramp work, there might be one guy with an FFL here that can help you. I personally don't know know if he does the work though. It requires some fixturing and some experience. I've done my fair share of these but it was on long actions and it was getting them to feed 375 H&H, .404 jeffery, 416 Rigby, 505 Gibbs and 585 Hubble. This should be easy in comparison but not exactly cheep.

Again My recommendation is Stiller Bottom metal and some single stack mags. cost in the long run about the same. at $400 with an extra AICS mag.

Whats you location as well so we know whom we might be able to refer you too?

[willidru]

Thanks for the input. I’m in the east bay

[kendog4570]

Does it hang up on both sides, or just the right?
Messing with integral feed lips and release points is an area where angels fear to tread. MOST Rem 700 Shorts out there that come from Brownells, PTG etc are cut for 308 family of rounds. You MAY have one cut for 223 family, no way to really tell without measuring them. I contacted Brownells about the receivers they had without bolts and they said they are all the same, work with any caliber. Guess what? They most certainly are not. The length, width, and depth of the rear part of the rails are different for each cartridge family, not to mention the location of the release points. The only thing typical in all of them is the angle cut in the bottom of the rails.

I have 22-1/2 degree cutters ground to rework these areas on the Rem 700 family of actions, but that is the absolutely LAST thing I would do to an action with feed issues. Make double sure you have the right mag box and follower first. If they are right, and the problem persists, bend the lips of the box in slightly at the front to get the base of the round to move towards the center of the magazine well when the head is near the release points. Baby sheet metal duckbill vice grips, or some kind of wide smooth pliers will work. Kevin Wyatt uses a special shop made anvil fabricated to go inside the box and tap against. You only need to bend the side that hangs up. A little bend goes a long way.
Try that first. Mag boxes are way cheaper than receivers.

[willidru]

Does it hang up on both sides, or just the right?
Messing with integral feed lips and release points is an area where angels fear to tread. MOST Rem 700 Shorts out there that come from Brownells, PTG etc are cut for 308 family of rounds. You MAY have one cut for 223 family, no way to really tell without measuring them. I contacted Brownells about the receivers they had without bolts and they said they are all the same, work with any caliber. Guess what? They most certainly are not. The length, width, and depth of the rear part of the rails are different for each cartridge family, not to mention the location of the release points. The only thing typical in all of them is the angle cut in the bottom of the rails.

I have 22-1/2 degree cutters ground to rework these areas on the Rem 700 family of actions, but that is the absolutely LAST thing I would do to an action with feed issues. Make double sure you have the right mag box and follower first. If they are right, and the problem persists, bend the lips of the box in slightly at the front to get the base of the round to move towards the center of the magazine well when the head is near the release points. Baby sheet metal duckbill vice grips, or some kind of wide smooth pliers will work. Kevin Wyatt uses a special shop made anvil fabricated to go inside the box and tap against. You only need to bend the side that hangs up. A little bend goes a long way.
Try that first. Mag boxes are way cheaper than receivers.

Thanks for suggestion.

[LynnJr]

Doesn't PT&G make all of Stiller's bottom metal?

[kcstott]

Doesn't PT&G make all of Stiller's bottom metal?

PT&G made his bolt handles but the difference in bottom metal is night and day. I've personally bought three sets, one PT&G. that looks like crap. the other two were Stiller, the ones shipped from stiller are far an wide better fit and finish. If Daves shop made them well so be it. but at least I don't have to deal directly with those idiots.