Engraving questions

[napa valley sniper]

So I built a Romanian ak like 7 years ago or so and now I want to sell it. I have been doing some research on the ways in which this can be done. After messaging back and forth with calguners some say to cut it into a parts kit and some say engrave it to atf standards. I have been on the atf website reading the requirements of engraving. It says you have to put your name, city and state of the place it was built. As for the name let's say JOHN SMITH, would I be able to put SMITH ARMS instead of my full name? Then the city it was built in, the city I live in or the city where I turned my flat into an actual firearm receiver? I know a lot of questions but it seems like a lot of personal info to put on the side of a rifle. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.


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[ar15barrels]

would I be able to put SMITH ARMS instead of my full name?

No.
The name you engrave needs to match your legal name to comply with ATF and CA regulations.
To use "Smith Arms", you would need a manufacturing license in the name of "Smith Arms" or an approved variance from the ATF allowing "Smith Arms".

[BMartin1776]

No.
The name you engrave needs to match your legal name to comply with ATF and CA regulations.
To use "Smith Arms", you would need a manufacturing license in the name of "Smith Arms" or an approved variance from the ATF allowing "Smith Arms".

Uhg I was wondering the same but I have an actual LLC (generic business acct), so I cant use that?! I do not want my name on this thing Faaaaaaaaaaaaaack

Not to be difficult but AB 857 just says name:
(B) The name and address of, and other information about, any person (whether a dealer or a private party) from whom the owner acquired or the person being loaned the particular firearm and when the firearm was acquired or loaned as listed on the information provided to the department on the Dealers’ Record of Sale, the LEFT, or reports made to the department pursuant to any provision listed in subdivision (a) of Section 16585 or any other law.
(D) The manufacturer’s name if stamped on the firearm, model name or number if stamped on the firearm, and, if applicable, the serial number, other number (if more than one serial number is stamped on the firearm), caliber, type of firearm, if the firearm is new or used, barrel length, and color of the firearm, or, if the firearm is not a handgun and does not have a serial number or any identification number or mark assigned to it, that shall be noted.

[ar15barrels]

Uhg I was wondering the same but I have an actual LLC (generic business acct), so I cant use that?
I do not want my name on this thing Faaaaaaaaaaaaaack

If you got a manufacturers FFL in your LLC's name, you could use it.
Without a proper manufacturing license, it needs to be YOUR legal name.
Not the legal name of some other entity you own.

This is why we said to cut it up and let the next guy deal with it.
Or just keep it.

[kcstott]

AB 857 is bill text not code.

the bill that passed references federal code, and it's the federal code you will need to comply with. federal code is quite clear. MANUFACTURERS NAME OR RECOGNIZED ABBREVIATION THERE OF.
Thats means your full legal name.

[BMartin1776]

AB 857 is bill text not code.

the bill that passed references federal code, and it's the federal code you will need to comply with. federal code is quite clear. MANUFACTURERS NAME OR RECOGNIZED ABBREVIATION THERE OF.
Thats means your full legal name.

Hmm recognized abbreviation as in: JSmith... or can one stretch it to JSmit?? I really hate idea I have to have my name on my frames

[kcstott]

Hmm recognized abbreviation as in: JSmith... or can one stretch it to JSmit?? I really hate idea I have to have my name on my frames

Here's the deal, there is nothing really clear on this, if you want clear answers you need to write a letter to the BATFE and wait. other than that you do the best you can.

a few shops know how to do this, how to navigate the 4473 online form. I sold My AK pistol years back. One shop in oceanside would not touch it. another shop in Encinitas took it in and didn't care. as long as it was legal and properly marked.

[ar15barrels]

Hmm recognized abbreviation as in: JSmith... or can one stretch it to JSmit?? I really hate idea I have to have my name on my frames

J is not a recognized abbreviation for John.
Smit is not a recognized abbreviation for Smith.

Use your current legal name for the engraving.
Then change your legal name afterwards.
Boom, you are no longer your old legal name anymore.

[javithewrench]

You can always cut the receiver off and sell it as a parts kit.

[xsefan]

Having you name on it is not that bad. Of course you could get dirt bags stopping by you home but, you might get enough people asking for an ak they you will need to get a type 7 ffl! Boom new family business!

[foxtrotuniformlima]

This is an interesting discussion. When they passed AB857, they stated clearly that one of the things they were doing was making it so that the "ghost guns" can't be sold or transferred.

29180. (d) (1) The sale or transfer of ownership of a firearm manufactured or assembled pursuant to this section is prohibited.

So does that just apply to guns manufactured and have a CA DOJ issued serial # after July 1, 2018 ?

[kcstott]

This is an interesting discussion. When they passed AB857, they stated clearly that one of the things they were doing was making it so that the "ghost guns" can't be sold or transferred.


So does that just apply to guns manufactured and have a CA DOJ issued serial # after July 1, 2018 ?

Well if you read CAPC 29180 in it's entirety you'd know now wouldn't you...

[foxtrotuniformlima]

Well if you read CAPC 29180 in it's entirety you'd know now wouldn't you...

DICK

[BMartin1776]

FYI per CA DOJ regs engraving font can be 1/16th @ .003 depth so long as its legible. Well laser engraving is pretty damn accurate. Have your name put on small and the rest normal size accustomed to seeing.

Also curious w/regards to 1911's can markings be under the grip? Or do they have to be in plain sight, dont recall seeing that spelled out in the code just that theyre legible

[Oldmandan]

AB857 makes no mention of firearms made and marked prior to releasing thier new rules. I have several home builds made and marked years ago, that don’t comply with CA’s new regulations.... so now what?

Namely, the name. The GCA68 states the makers name was to included in the marking. But, did not go so far as to say “birth-name” or “surname”. There are many people on this board, and around the country, who’ve made up a name, or used some sort of abbreviated name in the marking of thier 80’s.

AB857 only states “manufacturers name” while using your birth name would be the safe thing to do. The new law is not specific enough for anyone to know what the law writers were thinking.

If I’ve missed something in AB857, please let me know. To me, it looks like we will be left trying to figure things out on our own, and after the fact based on the DOJs actions down the road...