How does one seal polymer magazine baseplate on blocked 10/30 magazines?

[ifilef]

If you argue that a 10/30 is not permanent because someone can disassemble it and replace parts to create a >10rd capacity magazine then I have some bad news for you.

One has to draw the line somewhere without venturing into the absurd. Nothing is really permanent except death and taxes. Even the former is debatable dependent on one's beliefs.

DOJ gave a clue as to their take with examples. I think they went beyond what the statute requires and the examples given were ambiguously written. Anyway, they withdrew the regs and I made my choice to epoxy the magazine baseplate as well as the orange internal floorplate to the baseplate and to the magazine block and my opinion is that it passes muster, certainly from a practical standpoint, and probably legally as well. It's certainly more in the direction of compliant than Hexmags 10/20 10/30, Series I or II, without said modification, IMO.

[ifilef]

No it does not accept more than 10 rounds. It was designed and manufactured to accept only 10 rounds. That was and is the INTENT of the manufacturer.

Regardless if the internals can be readily removed, parts to increase capacity cannot be readily replaced in the body.

The Hexmag 2 series was introduced Sept. 2016. One would have to import banned parts to convert the magazine to accept more rounds. Unlike older magazines, there should not be any preexisting larger capacity internal parts in California. If there are they were imported illegally.

Intent of the manufacturer doesn't mean a hoot.

So, one can not import/purchase a longer magazine spring? Even if that's illegal, the statute requires 'permanent alteration' to accept no more than 10 rounds. Legality of getting a longer spring is irrelevant, they don't want you to be able to make it into a LCM.

['ol shooter]

With all due respect, I do not care about the intent of the manufacturer, all I am concerned about is what is legal, and what is not. If they are selling these in California, they are the ones that should know what complies and what does not if they wish to stay out of legal trouble. So, again with respect, I am going to run them the way they were delivered to me as being compliant in California, and if the State doesn't agree, I am sure they will let me know about it. I shoot at a private range, so I am not as concerned as an individual that frequents public areas like BLM land. Be well.

[hellayella]

Epoxy

[ifilef]

Epoxy

When I purchased Hexmags Series I 10/30 magazines some months ago it never occurred to me that they might be unlawful as sold here. I just assumed they were okay because they were blocked to 10 rounds and were being sold here. My 'assumption'- FALSE. It's my opinion they are unlawfully sold here because they do not comply with PC 16740 and 32310. That applies to any manufacturer of blocked 10/20 10/30 magazines where you can merely press a button on the baseplate and gain access to the contents of the magazine and remove those contents.

Epoxying of the baseplate is the answer. It's the cheapest and easiest way to conform, or at least substantially conform to the statute. I can't imagine getting hassled if upon inspection of the magazine to determine if it holds more than 10 rounds that most LE could give a hoot once determined that it holds no more than 10. Even if they did give a hoot, and decided to go further with the inspection, when they see that the baseplate can not be readily removed as epoxied shut, it would be absurd of them to make an issue of it, considerably more absurd and stupid to issue a citation or make an arrest.

[vliberatore]

One has to draw the line somewhere without venturing into the absurd. Nothing is really permanent except death and taxes. Even the former is debatable dependent on one's beliefs.

DOJ gave a clue as to their take with examples. I think they went beyond what the statute requires and the examples given were ambiguously written. Anyway, they withdrew the regs and I made my choice to epoxy the magazine baseplate as well as the orange internal floorplate to the baseplate and to the magazine block and my opinion is that it passes muster, certainly from a practical standpoint, and probably legally as well. It's certainly more in the direction of compliant than Hexmags 10/20 10/30, Series I or II, without said modification, IMO.

You missed the point.

You're claiming that 10/30s are being unlawfully sold here because it's not a permanent configuration of the magazine. I point out that epoxy is not permanent either and your response is "we have to draw the line without venturing into the absurd".

I used your argument, so I guess your position is absurd.

I just assumed they were okay because they were blocked to 10 rounds and were being sold here. My 'assumption'- FALSE.

No, your assumption is no false without proof that it is not legal.

[9mmContagion]

Nothing is permanent! I work in a machine shop, and haven't come across anything we can't get apart. That be welded, epoxied, staked, peened, swaged, etc.
To each his own though. I think you are over thinking everything. A rivet is pretty darn "permanent." You can hammer off a baseplate that has been epoxied. Any time my FFL has received a blocked 10/30 mag all they do is verify that it can not hold more than 10. I imagine any law enforcement would do the same. I suppose you could always have the mindset of, well can a LEO disassemble this mag with what he has in his cruiser or on his belt? Doubt he has a drill with a specific bit or a punch and hammer.

One thing to remember is "Intent!" Just because you can replace parts with others to make something illegal does not make the original assembly illegal. You also have an AR that with a few minor parts could be made fully auto. Are you going to do that? Probably not, you probably don't even have access to those parts. So should you render your rifle to permenantly never accept ANY of those parts? Maybe you should just convert it to a single shot rifle

[stevebla]

Epoxy will glass liquid transition at about 140 to 200 F lower than good polymer magazines.

[ifilef]

Epoxy will glass liquid transition at about 140 to 200 F lower than good polymer magazines.

So, what is the point?

We don't have any magazine regs, only the statute presently.

Statute requires 'permanently altered' to accept no more than 10 rounds.

What is sufficiently 'permanently altered' to pass legal muster?

The withdrawn regs give a hint with examples (that are ambiguous) but IMO go beyond the statute's requirements.

I think if the magazine is sealed in such a manner to prevent or substantially frustrate entry therein it will suffice. Taping it shut will not suffice, epoxying base plate to seal shut should be adequate. I went further by epoxying internal floorplate to magazine block and also to baseplate. I'm through with this cr*p!

Check this one out if you don't want to do it yourself:

http://www.calegalmags.com/Troy-Battlemag-223556-1030rd-Magazine-3-pack_p_1168.html

"NOTE: These are 30 round magazines that have been permanently modified/altered to 10 round capacity and the base plates have been ultrasonically welded shut. This modification is done by the manufacturer. Attempting to disassemble these magazines will cause permanent damage and void the warranty of the magazine. Please contact the manufacturer directly for any warranty issues as Calegalmags does not manufacture or modify this item. No returns allowed on this item."