Title One, Non-Rifle, OAL?

[liber]

I said it still IS a longarm even without the stock because that's what it is federally.
You can NOT make an AOW from a non-C&R longarm.
You CAN make an AOW from a Title1 "other" firearm.

True, but you can make a short barreled rifle.

The same rules apply to pistols and rifles too by the way.
Whatever you FIRST made with a virgin receiver is what it is according to the feds.
That's why you can NOT take an AR lower that was first assembled as a longarm and convert it to a pistol.

But per the PC, one has changed a pistol to a rifle by the way they shoot it. If that is so, it means that a pistol does change to a SBR/rifle.

[ar15barrels]

But per the PC, one has changed a pistol to a rifle by the way they shoot it. If that is so, it means that a pistol does change to a SBR/rifle.

You can reconfigure them, but they are still legally a pistol.
There are specific guidelines on this, such as once a rifle, always a rifle (can not go to handgun) and also once a handgun, always a handgun (but can go to rifle and back to handgun).
It has to deal with concealability.
Longarms are not "concealable" per atf guidelines.
Longarms have different purchase requirements than pistols.
That's all part of WHY longarms can not become pistols, but pistols can become longarms.

SBR's are a whole different set of rules and have to be handled through NFA forms.

If you buy a new TC contender frame and configure it as a pistol the first time, then you can swap it back and forth all your life.
If you buy a new TC contender frame and configure it as a rifle the first time, it can only ever be a longarm.

[liber]

Yes, but let's take the case of an AR pistol. Once you shoulder it, it seems that it's turned into an SBR.

EDIT: I guess this has never been taken to court, so there is no case law.

[CRTguns]

must not forget... you're in CA... where the DOJ BOF doesn't have to explain themselves to anyone. Where they can charge you based on "forthcoming" laws. They have proven time again, that they operate and interpret and enforce law with zero oversight.

I've been victimized by the BOF. Way back in 2007/2008. I got charged with 6 felonies for selling off list lowers assembled with hex nuts locktited onto the mag catch. No button. No radlock, no bullet button. You needed a socket wrench to take the mag out. And 1 machine-gun charge because the superior arms lower had a pre-travel screw under the rear end of the trigger- I have a recorded conversation with BOF, they tell me that they would, in testing, prove that it could, by some effort, become a machine gun. Therefore, I had a machine gun.

You've been warned.

[Junkie]

must not forget... you're in CA... where the DOJ BOF doesn't have to explain themselves to anyone. Where they can charge you based on "forthcoming" laws. They have proven time again, that they operate and interpret and enforce law with zero oversight.

I've been victimized by the BOF. Way back in 2007/2008. I got charged with 6 felonies for selling off list lowers assembled with hex nuts locktited onto the mag catch. No button. No radlock, no bullet button. You needed a socket wrench to take the mag out. And 1 machine-gun charge because the superior arms lower had a pre-travel screw under the rear end of the trigger- I have a recorded conversation with BOF, they tell me that they would, in testing, prove that it could, by some effort, become a machine gun. Therefore, I had a machine gun.

You've been warned.

Wow. Do you have a more detailed writeup of what happened somewhere?

[greensoup]

must not forget... you're in CA... where the DOJ BOF doesn't have to explain themselves to anyone. Where they can charge you based on "forthcoming" laws. They have proven time again, that they operate and interpret and enforce law with zero oversight.

I've been victimized by the BOF. Way back in 2007/2008. I got charged with 6 felonies for selling off list lowers assembled with hex nuts locktited onto the mag catch. No button. No radlock, no bullet button. You needed a socket wrench to take the mag out. And 1 machine-gun charge because the superior arms lower had a pre-travel screw under the rear end of the trigger- I have a recorded conversation with BOF, they tell me that they would, in testing, prove that it could, by some effort, become a machine gun. Therefore, I had a machine gun.

You've been warned.

In San Diego this seems par for SDPD/DA as well. In the car community the police made up nonexistent laws and wrote tickets. If you get arrested expect to get double and triple charged for each perceived offense.

[liber]

must not forget... you're in CA...

I realize that, but I have always felt as Randall stated, once a firearm is built it can't change/morph into another firearm by the way you shoot it.

When I read the Penal Code, it seems quite the opposite in the case of the AR Pistol.

Just because the DOJ charges someone with some type of crime, it still doesn't mean the person is guilty, it needs to go to court. This comes down to how much money can you afford to throw at the case. For the majority of us that probably means not enough.

The way our system works is against "we the people". Our rights continue to be eroded and there is little we can do to change it...cause it all gets down to $$$.

[Junkie]

I realize that, but I have always felt as Randall stated, ]b]once a firearm is built it can't change/morph into another firearm by the way you shoot it.[/b]

When I read the Penal Code, it seems quite the opposite in the case of the AR Pistol.

Just because the DOJ charges someone with some type of crime, it still doesn't mean the person is guilty, it needs to go to court. This comes down to how much money can you afford to throw at the case. For the majority of us that probably means not enough.

The way our system works is against "we the people". Our rights continue to be eroded and there is little we can do to change it...cause it all gets down to $$$.

ATF disagrees with you (sig brace SBR stuff).

[liber]

ATF disagrees with you (sig brace SBR stuff).

Yet another example that has not gone to court and there is no case law for, just some statements which are far from law.