AR 15 build "party"? Group? SFV/Simi

[Deweisserwolf]

Anyone know of a AR build Group or Party in the SFV, Simi, areas around there?

[M1NM]

do a simple search for build party - and you'll find out they are ILLEGAL

[valley82]

The ATF has determined...your tools, your property...

[dyson]

Hi Kamala, nice try

[jericho89]

two years too late... A lot were shady back then and all of them are down right illegal now. Buy your own tools and go for it in your own home. Plenty of youtube videos to watch and learn.

[Deweisserwolf]

wow..really..So if two or more people get together to help each other make an AR its illegal?

[TKM]

Needing help building an AR is like needing help with leggos.

[j-shot]

Needing help building an AR is like needing help with leggos.

Spelling it or using 'em?

[jericho89]

wow..really..So if two or more people get together to help each other make an AR its illegal?

According to the ATF yes. That is for the actual machining of the receiver or any of the steps needed to make the receiver fully functional (aka 100%)

[tummy06]

No today atf ..not today

[kcstott]

wow..really..So if two or more people get together to help each other make an AR its illegal?

about the only thing you can get help with legally is assembly of the upper.

But let's be clear the BATFE only issued a letter. Basically a statement of "this is how we (The BATFE) interpret the regulations"

Notice I said regulations not LAW??

Some (including I) have misunderstood this to mean the BATFE can write law or regulation. They can not actually, but no one has successfully stopped them but the people as in the case of AP ammo ban on 5.56 surplus ammo.

There is nothing in the Regulations specifically outlining what you can and cannot do.. Just a letter of advisement from the BATFE.

So you can interpret the regs any way you like but the BATFE will be called as advisors and expert witness to the case.

So choose your steps carefully

[liber]

about the only thing you can get help with legally is assembly of the upper.

But let's be clear the BATFE only issued a letter. Basically a statement of "this is how we (The BATFE) interpret the regulations"

Notice I said regulations not LAW??

Some (including I) have misunderstood this to mean the BATFE can write law or regulation. They can not actually, but no one has successfully stopped them but the people as in the case of AP ammo ban on 5.56 surplus ammo.

There is nothing in the Regulations specifically outlining what you can and cannot do.. Just a letter of advisement from the BATFE.

So you can interpret the regs any way you like but the BATFE will be called as advisors and expert witness to the case.

So choose your steps carefully

^^this

Put another way, this has not been tried in a court of law and there is currently no case law that proves one way or the other if what the BATFE states in the letter is within the legal code of the law.

kc gives good advice in saying to choose your steps carefully, which goes to say that most people here don't want to be the test case.

There's a lot of edge cases and interpreting the law into them is difficult at best.

Suffice to say that the easiest way to interpret the letter is to have all of your own machines and tools and do all of the work on your property that is under your control. This can present no confusion in the law and/or the BATFE letter.

There was a reason for the BATFE letter and a problem it was trying to solve. That being that commercial machine shops were offering to "assist" unlicensed individuals the ability to finish 80% lowers/receivers into firearms, and by law that is illegal. By law, unlicensed individuals have the right to manufacture firearms for personal use for themselves per the GCA68, and nothing more, and also nothing less.

Anyone that doesn't feel comfortable in interpreting the law for themselves should seek advice from a 2A Lawyer.

[TKM]

Spelling it or using 'em?

It looked funny so I checked with Gogle.

https://www.google.com/search?q=leggo&tbm=isch&imgil=1ME0o4ALd5QW_M%253A%253B0hz-bourGsq8EM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.kanyetothe.com%25252Fforum%25252Findex.php%25253Ftopic%2525253D463585.0&source=iu&pf=m&fir=1ME0o4ALd5QW_M%253A%252C0hz-bourGsq8EM%252C_&usg=__Tetk0_byM1FjSC0MlNB7MPQUWQM%3D&biw=1120&bih=606&dpr=1.5&ved=0ahUKEwi3l67wmPbNAhUC5mMKHXEOBMQQyjcITg&ei=NziJV_efGYLMjwPxnJCgDA#imgrc=1ME0o4ALd5QW_M%3A

I have delivered to Legoland. Piles of Minions higher than a house.... Damnit!

[AKSOG]

Upper installation party!!! weeeeeeeeeeee

[waawaaweenie]

I think people can still get together to put the parts together on a standard stripped lower that is registered if that is what he means.

you can not have parties where you all gather round the ol' milling machine and each push the button to start it