80% ar lower

[superman21]

Hello my fellow calgunners, just wondering if there is any 80% ar lower milling party? Im in west covina,ca. I don't have a Jig and tools. Thank you.

[LeadFarmer74]

Edited: You must complete all the work yourself and use your own tools.

[SoldierLife7]

Milling parties in California are a thing of the past (per the ATF).

[superman21]

80% ar15 lower

I think there is nothing wrong about borrowing tools. You can borrow tools but you have to do it your self. So if anyone have the tools and jig can i borrow it please. Thank you.

[superman21]

80% ar15 lower Jig

Ok! Anyone here has a Jig for ar 15 that i can borrow?

[kcstott]

1, it not just California it's the entire US ATF is federal.
2, the work must be completed by you, on your machines or tools, on your property.
3, borrowing tools is fine so long as there is no business attached to the tools or machinery, see #2 above. Renting tools is a no go, renting machines is a no go, and ask Ares about a lease on machinery or property. The ATF told them to knock it off or go to jail.

[CSACANNONEER]

Before you use someone else's tools, jigs, tooling, etc., you might want to read a couple of the ATF opion letters which state that you must do the owrk at your residence with your own tools. Sorry, you're two years too late to legally do it any other way.

[superman21]

Before you use someone else's tools, jigs, tooling, etc., you might want to read a couple of the ATF opion letters which state that you must do the owrk at your residence with your own tools. Sorry, you're two years too late to legally do it any other way.

Tnx' yes i will work on my 80% at my place and my own tools.

[FX-05 Xiuhcoatl]

What about a buy back program? Let's say I have an Easy jig with end mill and drill bits, can I sel it at full retail price then offer to buy it back for $100 if it wasn't damage during the process of milling 80% lower, of course if there's any damage to the plates I'll subtract it from the $100 that the buyer will get back.

[kcstott]

What about a buy back program? Let's say I have an Easy jig with end mill and drill bits, can I sel it at full retail price then offer to buy it back for $100 if it wasn't damage during the process of milling 80% lower, of course if there's any damage to the plates I'll subtract it from the $100 that the buyer will get back.

Same as a rental or lease and NO you can not do that either.

Why is it so flipping hard for people to get the fact that home made means you need to do it with stuff you own, No renting, lending, leasing, borrowing, bartering, trading. period.

[ziconceo]

Same as a rental or lease and NO you can not do that either.

Why is it so flipping hard for people to get the fact that home made means you need to do it with stuff you own, No renting, lending, leasing, borrowing, bartering, trading. period.

What about if you buy a jig from a store then say you "don't like it" same thing...is that a crime?

[liber]

Tnx' liber. That's what im looking for right now. So this people will shut their mouth, Tnx again.

Understand that the reason people are harsh with you is that this happened a couple years ago, and people are always quick to accuse someone of being with the ATF when they post a message asking about either using shop space or someone's tools.

I have always read the GCA68 text to imply that the "unlicensed individual" has the right to manufacture for personal use...not have someone help them, but there are various opinions on that...

Anyway, a jig is cheap enough, and you'll have it or you can sell it at a small loss after you're done. It's not the end of the world.

Make a decision if you'll use the router, since a jig like the 80% arms easy jig would probably be the one to go with. You will still want to use your drill press to remove as much material as possible, IMO. The lowers I've seen done that way look decent. I've never done one with a router to be honest, I've always used a mill.

Good luck with your project, nothing more satisfying than making your own firearm. For me it has nothing to do with registration, or DROS, although I don't advocate such...but for me it has everything to do with knowing I made it.

[kcstott]

What about if you buy a jig from a store then say you "don't like it" same thing...is that a crime?

well technically no but if it looked used I wouldn't take it back. and it immoral too.

Building a firearm is a three step process.

1. Buy tools to do job
2. Learn how to use tools for the job
3. Do the job...

Liber. I disagree with the help side of the build process. When we did AK builds it was a collection of experienced builders helping everyone from zero experience to the guy with nine builds under his belt.

The issue was when the CNC idiots looks at the AR as a way to make a fast buck. They were not helping anybody. Just collecting money for machine time.

I still say that if you made the guy use a manual machine, or taught him to program the CNC from scratch and set up the machine and tooling. that should be legal. but since we had too many idiots pushing the bounds of legality it all got shut down.

[noozeyeguy]

Just buy a jig. If it's not damaged, you can resell for pretty close to retail price. Easy peasy.

[liber]

Liber. I disagree with the help side of the build process. When we did AK builds it was a collection of experienced builders helping everyone from zero experience to the guy with nine builds under his belt.

I believe there was all types of grey area where some was good, some was bad, but ultimately it's because of the volume that caused everything to tighten up.

The issue was when the CNC idiots looks at the AR as a way to make a fast buck. They were not helping anybody. Just collecting money for machine time.

No argument from me on that, but I will say that the way Ares was promoting some of the stuff, emphasizing how people can make their own firearms without registering them certainly didn't help the issue. Even though it was legal for people to do, that type of activity far exceeded what the ATF wanted to see happening.

The worst thing that could happen is for people to start pushing the limits of the law again, as I feel it would only force the ATF to get even more strict in how they view things.

We the people continue to suffer as our rights are eroded.

I'm ok with the current accepted view, get your own tools, use your own space, build your own firearms per the GCA68. Not that I don't feel some of the law and penal code is not infringing, it certainly is. CA has gone way over it's bounds on infringing the residents and there's not too much we can do about it...anyway, I respect the people here on calguns, not trying to create a big debate, as there are many different views on this topic.