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  • vlady
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 719

    1911 light primer strike issue

    Question for you experts. After a few range trips and about 300 rounds of break-in, I'm starting to have some light primer strikes. This happened with a couple of different brands of ammo so I don't think that's the cause (used same ammo with another 1911 and worked flawlessly). The odd part is that if I pull the hammer back after the initial ftf, the round goes off. Any suggestions? I'm going to check the overtravel screw to see if it moved. This is a TM 80%
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    pacrat
    I need a LIFE!!
    • May 2014
    • 10285

    Originally posted by vlady
    Question for you experts. After a few range trips and about 300 rounds of break-in, I'm starting to have some light primer strikes. This happened with a couple of different brands of ammo so I don't think that's the cause (used same ammo with another 1911 and worked flawlessly). The odd part is that if I pull the hammer back after the initial ftf, the round goes off. Any suggestions? I'm going to check the overtravel screw to see if it moved. This is a TM 80%
    I'm kind of an answer the question with a question guy, so here goes.

    Did you fully disassemble, clean, and properly lube the pistol when you got it? You'd be amazed at the dirt, crud, gummed up lube, and even metal shavings I've encountered "inside" new guns.

    Doesn't take much of the above to "soften" the strike of a 1911 FP.

    Failure to fire, then will go off on second strike, is common with a light pin strike. First strike dents primer cup, takes out the slack in the primer between the cup and anvil. Second strike sets it off as it should have first time.

    Overtravel screw on trigger can keep the sear from tripping. But is out of the equation once hammer falls. It will not effect pin strike.

    Sometimes a case of "not all primers created equal". Some have thicker, or harder cups than others and take more force to set them off. Some Euro brands especially. In which case a stronger hammer spring or weaker FP spring are needed for reliability with those brands.

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      vlady
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2013
      • 719

      I've stripped and cleaned the pistol after each range trip but as it was a hombuild off a 80% frame, no gunk as you would see in a store bought pistol.
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      • #4
        Bob Hostetter
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 1291

        What weight of mainspring are you using and have you checked the overall length of the firing pin?

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        • #5
          pacrat
          I need a LIFE!!
          • May 2014
          • 10285

          Originally posted by vlady
          I've stripped and cleaned the pistol after each range trip but as it was a hombuild off a 80% frame, no gunk as you would see in a store bought pistol.
          What weight hammer spring did you use" IIRC "standard" USGI is 23#. Many/most kits have lighter hammer springs. Some as low as 15#.

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          • #6
            vlady
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2013
            • 719

            Firing pin checked out. The mainspring I believe is either 17 or 18.
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              pacrat
              I need a LIFE!!
              • May 2014
              • 10285

              Originally posted by vlady
              Firing pin checked out. The mainspring I believe is either 17 or 18.
              Did you use a steel pin or a titanium?

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              • #8
                vlady
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2013
                • 719

                It's steel
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                • #9
                  Nathan Krynn
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 2107

                  Originally posted by vlady
                  Question for you experts. After a few range trips and about 300 rounds of break-in, I'm starting to have some light primer strikes. This happened with a couple of different brands of ammo so I don't think that's the cause (used same ammo with another 1911 and worked flawlessly). The odd part is that if I pull the hammer back after the initial ftf, the round goes off. Any suggestions? I'm going to check the overtravel screw to see if it moved. This is a TM 80%
                  Kind of spaghetti on a wall thing here as I would need to look at it. Did you fit the hammer all by itself so it has free ROM (range of motion) and not getting hung up on something?
                  Nathan
                  Tactical Machining
                  1270 Biscayne Blvd
                  Deland, FL 32724
                  Phone 386-490-4464
                  fax 386-490-4890

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                  • #10
                    pacrat
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • May 2014
                    • 10285

                    Q&A suggests you need a higher rated mainspring.

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                    • #11
                      ojisan
                      Agent 86
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 11768

                      Often when a round will fire on the second strike, the slide was not fully into battery on the first strike.
                      The first hammer impact fully closes the slide, the second fires the round.
                      If it worked fine for 300 rounds, my guess is everything is fitted OK.
                      I would check the front of the chamber for lead build up for the first step.

                      In general, I don't like most lightweight spring kits.
                      Wimpy hammer strikes and sluggish trigger returns are hardly worth the easier pull.

                      Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
                      I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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                      • #12
                        vlady
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 719

                        Originally posted by Nathan Krynn
                        Kind of spaghetti on a wall thing here as I would need to look at it. Did you fit the hammer all by itself so it has free ROM (range of motion) and not getting hung up on something?
                        Hammer has perfect ROM. The pistol developed the light primer issue about 200 rounds into break-in.
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                        • #13
                          vlady
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 719

                          I'll pick up a heavier spring and give it a try. Thanks everyone for the replies!
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                          • #14
                            xsefan
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2013
                            • 1931

                            Is the hole for the hammer pin round? Check to make sure it's not oval shaped.

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                            • #15
                              vlady
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 719

                              It is round. Got the 23# spring in yesterday. Going to the range soon to test it out so i can strip everything and finally get it cerakated.
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