Cerakote wear - is this normal?

[teg33]

OP that's not normal, whoever did the cerokoted wasn't doing it right

[Gunsmith Dan]

Guess time for a professional to comment as to much guessing going on here.

First to answer the OP's question:

It all depends


Cerakote is a very tough coating and when the firearm is coated properly Cerakote will out last everything in wear resistance with the exception of chrome/nickel plating or high type II or any type III anodizing.

Factor in all the other properties of Cerakote being the most corrosion and chemical resistant finish period then it is the best general firearm coating on the market. Cerakote also can be applied to almost any plastic or wood surface and on top of any metal surface unlike KC Gun Kote.

Cerakote has Self Lubricating properties

Cerakote will statically attract oils to the surface so you get a very slick surface as well as prolong the life of Cerakote by using lubricants.


SOO to get back to the OP's problem:

Cerakote is a self lubricating coating but NOT a dry film lubricant (Cerakote Micro Slick is a dry film lubricant). This means that Cerakote will not wear if it is rubbing on parts that are also coated with Cerakote. Cerakote WILL wear with direct contact to metals where a lot of friction of pressure is applied as will ANY non lubricating coating without lubrication.

The other caveat to that is that if parts making contact have sharp edges Cerakote is so thin (0.001") that the parts will still have a sharp edge and start to shave off the Cerakote even if both parts are fully coated ..... just like any other thin coating would as well.

The proper coating of ALL surfaces and contact areas is crucial and something the majority of those applying Cerakote have no concept of how to do it right. The vast majority are not Gunsmiths and do not have the proper understanding of firearm fit and function. If you want ANY coating to last then all edges and contact point not needing a sharp edge should be deburred, radiused and polished before sand blasting because the grit is so fine that only very minor imperfections would get removed.

SO if the inside of the receiver was blasted but the Cerakote not coated correctly inside all areas of the channels of the receiver then the Cerakoted parts are contacting metal. Then you keep in mind all parts must be sand blasted before coating. That means any contact areas not fully coated would have a rough blasted surface and would accelerate wear just like if you rubbed the parts on a fine sand paper.


So IF everything was done correctly and all contact parts lubricated then NO that is not normal Cerakote wear.

WiKi WiKi:

Tell you what I hate it when other people do bad Cerakote jobs because it is a great product so I will offer you this:

If the shop you went to does not get the Cerakote done correctly bring it to me. I will redo your shotgun at no charge, you just take care of any shipping costs that might be involved. All of my Cerakote jobs are warrantied against defects or corrosion on coated parts for 3 years....... while eventually the coating will wear it should not be that rapidly.

Just PM me if you need to take me up on my offer.

Hope that helps you guys better understand Cerakote and coatings in general.

[kcstott]

If the shop you went to does not get the Cerakote done correctly bring it to me. I will redo your shotgun at no charge, you just take care of any shipping costs that might be involved. All of my Cerakote jobs are warrantied against defects or corrosion on coated parts for 3 years....... while eventually the coating will wear it should not be that rapidly.

Just PM me if you need to take me up on my offer.

Hope that helps you guys better understand Cerakote and coatings in general.

Holy crap Dan Out frigging Standing

[Bullets&Whitewalls]

Guess time for a professional to comment as to much guessing going on here.

First to answer the OP's question:

It all depends


Cerakote is a very tough coating and when the firearm is coated properly Cerakote will out last everything in wear resistance with the exception of chrome/nickel plating or high type II or any type III anodizing.

Factor in all the other properties of Cerakote being the most corrosion and chemical resistant finish period then it is the best general firearm coating on the market. Cerakote also can be applied to almost any plastic or wood surface and on top of any metal surface unlike KC Gun Kote.

Cerakote has Self Lubricating properties

Cerakote will statically attract oils to the surface so you get a very slick surface as well as prolong the life of Cerakote by using lubricants.


SOO to get back to the OP's problem:

Cerakote is a self lubricating coating but NOT a dry film lubricant (Cerakote Micro Slick is a dry film lubricant). This means that Cerakote will not wear if it is rubbing on parts that are also coated with Cerakote. Cerakote WILL wear with direct contact to metals where a lot of friction of pressure is applied as will ANY non lubricating coating without lubrication.

The other caveat to that is that if parts making contact have sharp edges Cerakote is so thin (0.001") that the parts will still have a sharp edge and start to shave off the Cerakote even if both parts are fully coated ..... just like any other thin coating would as well.

The proper coating of ALL surfaces and contact areas is crucial and something the majority of those applying Cerakote have no concept of how to do it right. The vast majority are not Gunsmiths and do not have the proper understanding of firearm fit and function. If you want ANY coating to last then all edges and contact point not needing a sharp edge should be deburred, radiused and polished before sand blasting because the grit is so fine that only very minor imperfections would get removed.

SO if the inside of the receiver was blasted but the Cerakote not coated correctly inside all areas of the channels of the receiver then the Cerakoted parts are contacting metal. Then you keep in mind all parts must be sand blasted before coating. That means any contact areas not fully coated would have a rough blasted surface and would accelerate wear just like if you rubbed the parts on a fine sand paper.


So IF everything was done correctly and all contact parts lubricated then NO that is not normal Cerakote wear.

WiKi WiKi:

Tell you what I hate it when other people do bad Cerakote jobs because it is a great product so I will offer you this:

If the shop you went to does not get the Cerakote done correctly bring it to me. I will redo your shotgun at no charge, you just take care of any shipping costs that might be involved. All of my Cerakote jobs are warrantied against defects or corrosion on coated parts for 3 years....... while eventually the coating will wear it should not be that rapidly.

Just PM me if you need to take me up on my offer.

Hope that helps you guys better understand Cerakote and coatings in general.

I am reminded again why this site so awesome. Guys like this right here.AWESOME DAN!

[09hemi]

You guys that say that is normal are all off your rocker.

I have Cerokoted my brother's 870 and he shoots the crap out of it and it has no where near this kind of wear on it. THAT IS NOT NORMAL WEAR.

Either the parts are extremely tight fitting or the cerakote job was screwed up

I would expect to see wear like that after 1000 rounds not two boxes of shells

Kcscott is right on. I cerakote guns and that looks like **** for only 50 rounds. It should not have that much wear that fast. No f***ing way

[kcstott]

Kcscott is right on. I cerakote guns and that looks like **** for only 50 rounds. It should not have that much wear that fast. No f***ing way

I still have to say Gunsmiths dan's offer was one notch above top notch. Damn good

[NoHeavyHitter]

If you want ANY coating to last then all edges and contact point not needing a sharp edge should be deburred, radiused and polished before sand blasting because the grit is so fine that only very minor imperfections would get removed.

This point cannot be emphasized enough - it's absolutely the key.


and, Kudos to Dan for making such a generous offer.

[09hemi]

I still have to say Gunsmiths dan's offer was one notch above top notch. Damn good

Yeah thats a hell of a nice thing to do. Kudos to Dan

[Sky Soldier]

Wki Wki what was the name of your local gunsmith? Pls share this so as others in the community will not get ripped off.

[wiki wiki]

Thanks for all the responses, and special thanks to Gunsmith Dan for the generous offer. ( pm sent )

Anyway, I had a metprolite front bead installed and the cerakote finish done by A.O. Sword Firearm in El Cajon. They seem to have a pretty good reputation based on their yelp reviews and from some guys I know who had taken in their firearms for some gunsmith work. No complaints about the bead installation, but the cerakote seems like a nightmare from what my expectations were. Apparently A O Sword contracts out their Cerakote, but they do the disassembly and reassembly. Sometime during that process was when they punched out the end of the Choate mag extension.
My guess is they just bead blasted the exterior surface of the shotgun, the interior of the receiver is still blued, as is the breech end of the barrel that fits in the receiver.

[Citadelgrad87]

Guess time for a professional to comment as to much guessing going on here.

First to answer the OP's question:

It all depends


Cerakote is a very tough coating and when the firearm is coated properly Cerakote will out last everything in wear resistance with the exception of chrome/nickel plating or high type II or any type III anodizing.

Factor in all the other properties of Cerakote being the most corrosion and chemical resistant finish period then it is the best general firearm coating on the market. Cerakote also can be applied to almost any plastic or wood surface and on top of any metal surface unlike KC Gun Kote.

Cerakote has Self Lubricating properties

Cerakote will statically attract oils to the surface so you get a very slick surface as well as prolong the life of Cerakote by using lubricants.


SOO to get back to the OP's problem:

Cerakote is a self lubricating coating but NOT a dry film lubricant (Cerakote Micro Slick is a dry film lubricant). This means that Cerakote will not wear if it is rubbing on parts that are also coated with Cerakote. Cerakote WILL wear with direct contact to metals where a lot of friction of pressure is applied as will ANY non lubricating coating without lubrication.

The other caveat to that is that if parts making contact have sharp edges Cerakote is so thin (0.001") that the parts will still have a sharp edge and start to shave off the Cerakote even if both parts are fully coated ..... just like any other thin coating would as well.

The proper coating of ALL surfaces and contact areas is crucial and something the majority of those applying Cerakote have no concept of how to do it right. The vast majority are not Gunsmiths and do not have the proper understanding of firearm fit and function. If you want ANY coating to last then all edges and contact point not needing a sharp edge should be deburred, radiused and polished before sand blasting because the grit is so fine that only very minor imperfections would get removed.

SO if the inside of the receiver was blasted but the Cerakote not coated correctly inside all areas of the channels of the receiver then the Cerakoted parts are contacting metal. Then you keep in mind all parts must be sand blasted before coating. That means any contact areas not fully coated would have a rough blasted surface and would accelerate wear just like if you rubbed the parts on a fine sand paper.


So IF everything was done correctly and all contact parts lubricated then NO that is not normal Cerakote wear.

WiKi WiKi:

Tell you what I hate it when other people do bad Cerakote jobs because it is a great product so I will offer you this:

If the shop you went to does not get the Cerakote done correctly bring it to me. I will redo your shotgun at no charge, you just take care of any shipping costs that might be involved. All of my Cerakote jobs are warrantied against defects or corrosion on coated parts for 3 years....... while eventually the coating will wear it should not be that rapidly.

Just PM me if you need to take me up on my offer.

Hope that helps you guys better understand Cerakote and coatings in general.

Dan, you just made my list of good guys. You also sound like you walk the walk. Your name just went into my "next time you need smithing, go to this guy" file.