Training advice

[gesundheit]

Yesterday I did a self-test at the range. I seem to shoot fine up to 10 yards with close-knit groups. After 10 yards, things start to go awry and are downright disgusting when it comes to 20 yards and out.

What do I need to (drills etc) do bring the groups closer from 10+ yards?

[VictorFranko]

If you shoot great from 10 yards and not from 20, stop practicing at 10 yards and only practice 20+ yards, your 10 yard will not suffer any.
The longer the shot, the more time it takes to get a good shot, slow down.
Are you "bulls eye" shooting or more HD, combat style shooting? If it is HD, combat, don't worry about tight groups at 20+ yards, as long as they are good, center mass hits.
Just my opinion, YMMV.

[Bert Gamble]

If you shoot great from 10 yards and not from 20, stop practicing at 10 yards and only practice 20+ yards, your 10 yard will not suffer any.
The longer the shot, the more time it takes to get a good shot, slow down.
Are you "bulls eye" shooting or more HD, combat style shooting? If it is HD, combat, don't worry about tight groups at 20+ yards, as long as they are good, center mass hits.
Just my opinion, YMMV.

+1 on this. Few, if any defensive shoots will be at this distance.

[Outta Control]

Check your breathing. Remember Slow is smooth, smooth is Fast.

[gesundheit]

Thanks guys. I was going for combat style shooting and was timing myself (Also got a FTE!). Found that a FTE and clearing it really messed up my target acquisition.

My concern with accuracy is that my shots are not center mass but more glacing ones that won't do any damage (and may piss off the attacker/robber)

[ZombieTactics]

Opinion: More than anything else, sight-picture and trigger-control determine accuracy.

Slow down as much as you need to in order to make those shots. Line up those sights, touch the trigger, take up the slack, and then squeeeeeez the trigger as slowly as you can, concentrating a hard, sharp front sight. It doesn't matter if it take you 30 seconds to get that shot off at first. Speed will come with time and repetition.

[Kempfer]

Yesterday I did a self-test at the range. I seem to shoot fine up to 10 yards with close-knit groups. After 10 yards, things start to go awry and are downright disgusting when it comes to 20 yards and out.

What do I need to (drills etc) do bring the groups closer from 10+ yards?

Your concern with accuracy is legit. Your groups will open up, not shrink, when you apply more stress to the situation. It is not a bad idea to mix in practicing flawless trigger control through accuracy when you practice every now and then.

A good year long goal is to be able to slow fire a 6 inch group at 25 yards. That seems to be the golden standard to test if you have solid fundamentals.

[The Virus]

Your concern with accuracy is legit. Your groups will open up, not shrink, when you apply more stress to the situation. It is not a bad idea to mix in practicing flawless trigger control through accuracy when you practice every now and then.

A good year long goal is to be able to slow fire a 6 inch group at 25 yards. That seems to be the golden standard to test if you have solid fundamentals.

This is sound advice. shooting a 6" group at 25 yds isnt easy if you can do that you are doing good.

[tzotzo]

If combat fighting is your concern, I'd be focused on various shooting scenarios well within 10 yards, groups at 25 yards are interesting, but if you can't pull off groups at 7 yards quickly under duress then how useful is your skill then. Vast majority of combat situations are CQ, I've been told, and so a good draw, presentation and proper front sight aiming should be practiced from very slow with good fundamentals (pick your school of choice), then work speed up slowly. Kind of same thing with any motor skill.\

You can get DVDs from various trainers, if you don't want to travel to them. Should be far better and faster than trying to figure it on your own.