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  • mnguyen84
    Senior Member
    • May 2010
    • 1132

    how do I control my recoil?

    i shoot a 308 bolt from a bench. most of the time, my rifle goes to the left, sometimes to the right, and in rare instances, it recoils only vertically. this seems to affect the point of impact of my shot. I suspect that these changes are due to how i position my body behind the rifle. I try to position my body the same way before taking every shot, but it doesn't seem to work all the time.

    do you guys have any tips on how to better control the recoil of the rifle?
    When I shoot, my non-trigger arm rests underneath the rifle stock to help level the rifle.
  • #2
    sargenv
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 4620

    If you are shooting from the bench, I find that sandbags help stabilize the rifle...

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    • #3
      707electrician
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 2889

      Brian Kelly

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      • #4
        GeoffLinder
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2009
        • 2425

        Recoil will not effect point of impact as recoil only occurs after the bullet has left the bore and un-corked the expanding gas behind the bullet.

        The only way you effect shot position after the trigger breaks is by disturbing the rifle yourself before the bullet leaves the bore. Not doing this is called follow-through and it consists of doing exactly nothing to the rifle after the sear let's go until recoil occurs. Bullet is out the bore in a few ten-thousandths of a second so you don't have to hold perfectly still for very long

        Quite often the trigger stroke is what does it. It must be done straight back with no twisting or side motion imparted. I prefer very little over-travel and a very light break on my rifle triggers so there is no left-over trigger pull momentum of any real consequence imparting any input to the rifle while combustion is still occurring.

        The other thing that will effect POI is over-torquing the rifle itself while holding. You should not be stressing rifle too much unless you are doing it very, very consistently or the rifle action is solidly and properly bedded into a very rigid stock assembly. Poorly bedded rifles with flexy-flyer stocks and barrels that contact the stock beyond the receiver are more susceptible to this than well setup rifles.

        Another possibility is that you are not stabilizing the rifle very well and you are not getting a consistent sight hold when the shot goes off. If you are resting the rifle on elbows only, the wobble zone you experience will be very big and very erratic. This translates to very inconsistent groups because you can't really say where the sights where when the shot broke with any certainty because the sights are never still enough to do so with any level of real precision. If this is the way you are holding, then by all means get some sandbags to rest the fore end on or use a bipod and maybe consider a sandbag under the rear of the rifle too.
        Last edited by GeoffLinder; 12-23-2011, 11:54 PM.

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        • #5
          Bobby Hated
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2010
          • 1616

          what geoff said
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          • #6
            mnguyen84
            Senior Member
            • May 2010
            • 1132

            ...yeah. maybe i'm jerking something.

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            • #7
              Wolfie_AR
              Member
              • Jun 2011
              • 313

              Originally posted by mnguyen84
              ...yeah. maybe i'm jerking something.
              It's a common problem. Many of the members here try to enjoy two hobbies at once. Not saying it can't be done but I'd recommend you only jerk at home and shoot at the range.

              "In the end people ARE AS THEY CHOOSE TO BE. It is no one else's fault but theirs. Just because you don't like the choices available does not abdicate the inherent responsibility for your choices." - meaty-btz

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              • #8
                JamesY
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2006
                • 2652

                Originally posted by Wolfie_AR
                It's a common problem. Many of the members here try to enjoy two hobbies at once. Not saying it can't be done but I'd recommend you only jerk at home and shoot at the range.

                unless you do a combat jack.

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                • #9
                  Matt P
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 3101

                  If you enjoy shooting the rifle, and want to improve your accuracy by throwing a few dollars at it, I suggest the following.
                  Find a gun smith in your area to cut threads on the muzzle end and re-crown it if necessary. Cost $50-$100
                  Purchase an effective brake. Having just used the PWS brake, and had loads of trigger time behind a OPS brake, I am really enjoying the PWS on my gas .243.
                  Cost $100-$150
                  A good modern brake can tame the felt recoil 30%-40% in many situations. Since the rifle is softer shooting, you will have more confidence in basic control of the rifle during recoil. You may induce less movement into the whole trigger pressing process because you do not need to control it as much.
                  Taming recoil in my opinion will always be money well spent. Those mods just keep giving every time you fire that rifle.
                  Think about it this way, what makes shooting 22 rimfire so enjoyable and non threatening?

                  No recoil right?.............................Put a brake on it, a good one. Not a flash hider.
                  PWS, OPS, and Battle Comp are 3 that I know of for 308.
                  I have tried the OPS and PWS...Matt likes..
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                  • #10
                    0321jarhead
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 2116

                    Originally posted by mnguyen84
                    i shoot a 308 bolt from a bench. most of the time, my rifle goes to the left, sometimes to the right, and in rare instances, it recoils only vertically. this seems to affect the point of impact of my shot. I suspect that these changes are due to how i position my body behind the rifle. I try to position my body the same way before taking every shot, but it doesn't seem to work all the time.

                    do you guys have any tips on how to better control the recoil of the rifle?
                    When I shoot, my non-trigger arm rests underneath the rifle stock to help level the rifle.
                    There is a wide variety of .308 bolt rifles. What are rifles are you using? Is it a Remington 700, Spanish FR-8, Savage 10FPLE or what? And what .308 ammo are you feeding the rifle? Your own reloads? Factory reloads? Please be more specific so us doctors can help you resolve this issue.
                    "TRUST BUT, VERIFY"
                    Ronald Reagan

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                    • #11
                      mnguyen84
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 1132

                      tikka t3 sporter. i reload. i was shooting 168gr smk, but i'm now shooting 150gr hornady. i notice that after 50 or so rounds, my cheap scope rings tend to loosen up.

                      currently, i have a Simmon Classic White Tail mounted on the rifle. although it's flooded with good reviews on midwayusa.com, when i compare it to my Redfield, the cross hair on the simmon isn't as consistent. For instance, with my Redfield, when i look through and scope and move my face around...the cross hair stay locked on the target and i get these black edges. however, with the Simmon... the cross hair moves. Anyways, i bought some new mounts and rings: the 1 solid piece kind. when i have more cash, i'll look into getting a better scope if needed.

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                      • #12
                        0321jarhead
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 2116

                        As for your scope rings loosening up after that amount of round, use "Locktite 222" on the threads. Before you do anything, be sure to dismount the scope and its mounts. Basically start from the begining on mounting the scope. Hopefully you have (or a friend) scope alignment tool. Some gun dealers have one behind the counter and if they are nice people they may do it for you. This is the one I would recomend...http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=9...ALIGNMENT-RODS
                        "TRUST BUT, VERIFY"
                        Ronald Reagan

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                        • #13
                          razr
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 1415

                          Read this:

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                          What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others.
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                          • #14
                            RugerNo1
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 1644

                            Originally posted by mnguyen84
                            ... For instance, with my Redfield, when i look through and scope and move my face around...the cross hair stay locked on the target and i get these black edges. however, with the Simmon... the cross hair moves. Anyways, i bought some new mounts and rings: the 1 solid piece kind. when i have more cash, i'll look into getting a better scope if needed.
                            That is parallax error. Such error can certainly affect your shooting. With a scope that has fixed parallax you must ensure that your are perfectly positioned behind the scope and rifle every single shot. You are experiencing the effects that the inconsistancy causes.
                            Last edited by RugerNo1; 12-26-2011, 9:02 PM.
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