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  • dwtt
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2005
    • 7470

    Thailand

    I went to see a local IPSC match in Chonburi, about 100 km south east of Bangkok, and accidentally walked in on the second day of a 2-day 3-gun charity match. It was called the Queen's Cup and was held on an Army base and sanctioned and supported by the government. Kinda like the Bay Bridge Charity Classic in Richmond, but with the endorsement of the Queen. They had 15 stages, 5 each for rifle, shotgun, and pistols, and there were about 120 shooters from all over Thailand. There were clubs from Phuket, Chiang Mai, Bira near Pattaya, and other parts of Thailand I don't know about. It was quite impressive since some of the shooters were on the Thai national shooting team and will represent the country at the world shoot. There was one grand master, judging from his jersey, was shooting for CZ in their Thailand team. I felt like a guppy in a tank with sharks.

    The rifle and shotgun stages were interesting. They were both loaded with steel targets, poppers, and swingers, but only one paper target. The rifle stages were shot with .22 lr guns since Thai firearms laws limit civilian rifle ownership to .22 lr. As for shotguns, there was one shooter with a Saiga with massive magazines, but I think the magazines were unreliable since the Saiga kept jamming and the shooter's friends were laughing behind the shooting line every time he had to drop a magazine to clear a jam. There was one petite woman who must have weighed less than 100 lbs who shot the entire shotgun course with a manual shotgun, which is pretty impressive in this heat.

    At the awards ceremony the trophies were presented indirectly. An Army colonel placed the trophy on a table holding a display of the royal family, then the competitor would come up to the table, bow to the queen, then pick up the trophy. The trophy had an inscription of the royal family so it's considered official, like a service badge in the armed forces in the US would be considered official.

    If you ever come out to Thailand, I would highly recommend dropping by a local match and experience their hospitality. The Thai people are very friendly and welcoming, even if you don't speak any Thai. If you have weight allowance left in your checked luggage, I would suggest bringing along 500 rounds of 9mm. The ITAR regulations allow you to export up to 1000 rds of ammo out of the US without an export license, but the airlines allow up to 11 lbs. 500 rounds of 115 gr FMJ 9mm is about 11 lbs if you keep them in the cardboard boxes. The ammo everyone shoots here at the matches is 135 gr lead round nose 9mm because that's what is available from the munitions factory that supplies the military. The cost is also higher, since it costs about 55 cents per round when they place a large order, while in the US we can buy 1000 rds mail order or at the gun shows for about $120.

    some pictures:










    Last edited by dwtt; 08-22-2011, 5:24 AM.
  • #2
    Voo
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 1702

    Wow.. that's seriously cool.. Thanks for sharing..

    If you bring ammo.. what about gun/gear?

    As for the heat, hehe, you get use to it.. after awhile 80 degrees feels cold.. I'm also in SE Asia :-)
    Aloha snackbar!

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    • #3
      Oceanbob
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jun 2010
      • 12720

      Thanks for the info..!

      I was in Thailand in May...had a wonderful time. I am going back next May for 3 weeks. I did visit several Gun Ranges, one in Crabby and one near Pattaya.

      So you're saying I can bring some 9MM with me without any problems..?.

      Here is my extensive Thailand Thread with photos and visits to gun stores in Bangkok.

      Be well, Bob

      May the Bridges I burn light the way.

      Life Is Not About Waiting For The Storm To Pass - Its About Learning To Dance In The Rain.

      Fewer people are killed with all rifles each year (323 in 2011) than with shotguns (356), hammers and clubs (496), and hands and feet (728).

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      • #4
        dwtt
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2005
        • 7470

        I brought 500 rounds of 9mm in my checked luggage and didn't have any problems. It's within the limitations of ITAR and go through the nothing to declare line at the airport. Of course, this means you'll have to pack less clothes to stay within the 50 lb limit for checked baggage. At the range, one of the ThPSA officers offered to loan me some gear and gun to shoot that day, but I didn't want to take advantage of his hospitality and prevent him from shooting, so I declined. Besides, I didn't bring my ammo along with me yesterday.

        As for bringing gear, if you are a USPSA member, just bring all of your regular gear except your gun. There is likely a club member at the matches who will loan you a gun if you make arrangement and contact the club in advance. If you want to bring your gun with you, you will likely have to justify it with attendance at a IPSC match. I was told there are temporary permits the government can issue to you that's good for 2 weeks or so, and the ThIPSC can help you with information on how to obtain an import permit. The sport of IPSC is recognized as an official sport by the Thai government, due to the efforts of ThIPSC, the Thai equivalent of the USPSA. If you bring your own gun from the US, then make sure you fill out a Form 4457 with the Customs and Border Patrol, and have it signed at the customs office of an international airport like SFO or LAX before you depart the US. Otherwise, you'll have a hard time returning with your gun to the US and they'll want to see a BATF import permit. It's easier to just leave the gun at home.

        I've seen some of those ads for the tourist ranges. They are commercial operations where tourists can rent a handgun, get some basic safety information, and shoot 10 rounds for an outrageous amount of money. They are popular with tourists from countries that prohibit guns like England and Japan. The range I went to yesterday was on an Army base and it's where Thai gun owners shoot. They have a public range where bulls eye shooting is offered to the general public, and where I had a hard time finding my contact until I uttered the magic word "IPSC". Then they pointed up a road to another range where the IPSC matches are held. 9mm is what people use in IPSC here because of the gun laws and I didn't see anyone shooting .40 S&W or .45 ACP. The IPSC matches are also run according to international rules, so there's no Limited, Limited10, or Single Stack classes like in the US. The good part is that Production allows 15 rounds in the magazine. 15 rounds!

        I went by this place in Bangkok west of Chinatown called the Old Siam Plaza where a lot of the gun stores are located and really didn't find anything impressive. Everything was overpriced, including a pair of foam ear plugs selling for 50 Baht, when the hardware store sold them for 15 Baht. They really know how to rip off tourists, so I have tried to avoid all the tourist areas.

        Oh yes, one of the gun clubs at the match was the Naughty Gun Club, and I still haven't figured out where they are located. I would say guns aren't the only naughty things in Thailand. Another sponsor of the match was a club called Uncle Ray gun club and was told that the club president is starting IDPA shooting in Thailand. His club was sanctioned last year and IDPA is still in its infancy in Thailand, but as more people shoot IDPA, I think it'll become as popular as in other countries.
        Last edited by dwtt; 08-22-2011, 7:40 AM.

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