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  • Casual_Shooter
    Ban Hammer Avoidance Team
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Sep 2006
    • 11733

    Stone Cobra Tactical- Handgun/ Carbine Review

    Hi all,

    Thought I would share my experience after taking the SCT Handgun/ Carbine class yesterday for anyone interested in reading it. I'll try to sum up 8 hours of training without taking up too much space but also provide enough details to give a good overview of the class.

    To begin, prior to this, I had no formal firearms training and am non- military. Just a regular joe (or Mike, in this case) who likes guns and wanted to get more proficient with them. Given that I own both handguns and an AR, this combination class was a perfect choice for me.

    The day started a little drizzly and cloudy, but knowing the range was only minutes from my house, my friend and I (who came down from Orange County to take the class) took our time getting ready. We got to the entrance to the range with about 10 minutes to spare, navigated the dirt road in my "Swagger Wagon" (Toyota Sienna) which handled the road fine...... until the last 50 yards- which was a relatively steep incline where the wet road and the Sienna's traction control worked against each other. We made it about 1/3 of the way up and ended rolllllling back down. We both kind of looked at each other and said, "well, I guess we're walking".

    We took the short walk up the hill to tell everyone we were here and to see about getting someone who would be willing to load our gear into their vehicle and bring it up the hill. Alex- the range owner (they call him Mr. Softy because of his warm and inviting personality) met us and told us about another road which was more easily passable. We took that road and in no time, we were getting geared up and only missed the first few moments of Jason's (Stone Cobra Tactical) speech.

    The class started with a safety briefing and we moved to instruction on how to draw our empty handguns using a 5 point process. All guns were checked that they were empty and no one had ammo on them in any fashion. Then we moved to inserting an empty mag and working on trigger discipline. And afterward loaded our magazines and headed to the targets where we practiced drawing our handguns to different points of the 5 point system and firing at the target about 5 yards away. We also learned malfunction drills- Tap, Rack, Bang and a way to deal with Double Feeds. I've seen some of this through online videos, but it was MUCH different practicing it in a classroom environment with real ammo in the gun.

    At the end of this session, we had quite a few holes in our targets. At this point, at 5 yards, Jason told us we should have a pattern about the size of a silver dollar. Mine was more like a $5 dollar bill but I was still enjoying myself. And, looking at Hans' target (another student), I'm pretty sure he was significantly closer than I was or using slugs because he literally had one large hole in his target. Very impressive to say the least.

    We then moved to a little challenge portion where two guys would hide behind a wood panel "cover" and fire at steel targets. First one to hit the target twice, change mags, hit the target twice, change mags and hit the target twice, won. IIRC, Josh won this round. I can't say enough about the difference between shooting at cardboard v.s. steel. Something very satisfying about having that auditory "PLINK". From here we moved onto the rifle portion of the class. YES!

    We talked a little about slings, a little about California laws and then geared up to move onto the fun stuff. We went through a similar routine as the handguns- EMPTY mags, guns cleared, checked and double checked (after all, Jason was standing in front of a bunch of guys holding AR's pointing at him) and then moved to our targets.

    We learned different ways to change mags: Mirror, "L", and one where you hold grab the empty mag with your pinky as it drops out. It was at this point we were able to chamber a round and fire our first shot into the target as Jason yelled "THREAT!". It was quite the experience to hear 13 or so AR's of various types all fire. Right about then, Jason exclaimed, "I f*^& ing LOVE that!". I'd have to agree.

    We practiced different firing patterns: Single Shot, Non-Standard response (3-5 shots in quick succession), and one where you put two rounds in the body and one in the head (Failure Drill). We practiced walking and shooting- both forward and backward. We practiced running, turning and firing while approaching a target. We practiced transitioning from our AR's to our hanguns and back. We practiced walking the "Diamond" while Jason yelled out which of the three steel targets to shoot at.

    The day ended with a challenge. Two steel targets- one green and one red were set beside a rotating "Star" which had two green, two red and one white steel plate that would fall off when you hit it. The idea was to hit your color of steel target with your rifle twice, transition to your handgun and knock one of your colors off of the star- which would then start to spin because of the difference in weight. Transition back to your rifle, hit the target twice and go back to your handgun to knock your other color. Back to the rifle- on target twice- back to handgun and get that last white plate. First one to knock the white target off wins. The winners shot against each other until the final guys paired off. Chris (hope I got your name right) won in fine fashion.

    We stowed our gear, picked up the brass for Alex and met for a final meeting, said our goodbyes and were on our way.

    On our way home, my friend and I both agreed we got a lot out of the class, felt more comfortable with our firearms and definitely enjoyed the competition portion of the class the best.

    To conclude, Jason was a very good instructor who held a nice balance of professionalism and fun. We were there to learn, but we also enjoyed ourselves. A special thanks to Alex (the range owner) and Bill (CCWUSA) for helping out with the instructing.
    Last edited by Casual_Shooter; 10-17-2010, 9:52 AM.
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  • #2
    Casual_Shooter
    Ban Hammer Avoidance Team
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Sep 2006
    • 11733

    Oh, one thing I forgot. I'm sorry I didn't your name, but thank you to whomever loaned me their Fobus double mag holder for my .45 mags. It made carrying and changing mags significantly more smooth.
    Guns, dogs and home alarms. Opponents are all of a sudden advocates once their personal space is violated.

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    • #3
      OMGofWar
      Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 424

      great review. i take my first Level I class this Saturday with a different group at another range. i hope i have as good a time.
      Glock / Kimber / Sig / Beretta

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      • #4
        Rukus
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 2387

        CasualShooter's review is spot on. I couldn't have asked for a better day to spend 8 hours training.

        The instruction was excellent, and I think the best part about it was that Jason (stone cobra) was encouraging and asking for different viewpoints. If anyone had anything to add to a drill or had a different way of addressing an issue it was brought up and shared with everyone. The reason being was that "there are 100 ways to skin a cat" and not all of them will work for everyone.

        Also there were 2 lefty's in the class (myself included) and it was nice to get some instruction about actual methods for performing various actions as opposed to just being left to figure it out.

        Time and budget permitting, I will definitely be interested in signing up for StoneCobra's Carbine 2 class. A big thanks to everyone who made it possible
        MY AR Profile #1

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        • #5
          btaksier
          Junior Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 46

          Another two thumbs up for Stone Cobra/Jason! It is very obvious that Jason enjoys what he does very much. The class was #1 safe and #2 fun and "business" at the same time. Running all the drills were challenging and definitely let you know what you need to work on. "Walking and chewing gum" has never been so hard!

          It was great to see a guy that has real world experience but is open to suggestions as to what may work and why for different shooters.

          I would not hesitate to sign up for another class with Stone Cobra and am looking forward to Cabine 2 as soon as we can get them back down to SoCal. Thanks to everyone that made the class what it was. Everyone had great attitudes and made for an awesome day at the range. Thanks to Alex for allowing us to use his range. We couldn't have asked for a better spot to shoot. Bill from CCWUSA.com was also a great asset to the class and had lots of excellent info to add.

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          • #6
            wsmc27
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 1654

            Well done review, and I agree with the OP assesement as well as the points by Ruckus and btaksier. Awesome way to spend a Saturday!

            From my many past years of motorcycle competition, I tend to carry "extras" when going to events, and have carried this idea into my several firearm training opportunities this year. Thus, was pleased to have not only an AR in the truck to back up my old Mini-14, but a .45 w/ammo and it's little Fobus mag holder...glad I could help out another shooter with the "backup" goodies.

            I used the Mini as my idea of getting a "featureless" AR hasn't quite come together yet...was interesting to see what the group runs on their AR's. Nice stuff! And that 6.8 sure sounded mean! I bought my first 9mm recently (XD9 4") and learned a lot more about use of it on its' 2nd trip out to a training day.

            While all of the training was great imo...I truly enjoyed the movement drills! The side-by-side competition drills were awesome...was a little nervous but pleased with the actual performance and the learning experiences I gained.

            I was off to the left on the line...Bill was extremely helpful throughout the day on our side. YAY TEAM 1! I also was pleased to learn by watching all of the other participants, and appreciate everyone doing such a great job safety-wise. Looked to me like everyone did great and had fun.

            Big thanks also to Alex for his help and the cool range, Josh in helping get it all together, and Jason for making the big trip down!

            Looking forward to future training opportunities with this group again!

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            • #7
              Stone Cobra
              Member
              CGN Contributor
              • Jun 2009
              • 316

              This was a great class that was intended to be a basic intro course to the handgun and carbine. I was impressed with the motivation and attention from everyone in the class which made it easier to step up to more intermediate techniques.

              The range was absolutely awesome with very little limitations of what you can actually do from basic classes all the way to running and gunning. Thanks to Alex for this opportunity and for helping with some of the drills.

              Josh who was the force behind all of this did a great job in tracking down a range and putting everything together. I really appreciate the invite and look forward to more classes down south!

              Bill Desy was a wealth of information and I could tell from my first conversation with him that he loved instructing just as much as I do. Bill thank you for all of your help on the line, with the last four students that signed up, you were instrumental in helping run a safe line.

              Again, thank you to everyone that attended and I hope to have the privilege to train with you again!
              J. Paletta
              Lead Instructor
              www.LMSDefense.com
              http://facebook.com/jasonpaletta
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              • #8
                Untamed1972
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Mar 2009
                • 17579

                Thanks to Jason for making the trek down to SD to put on a great class. It was alot of good info packed into one day and plenty of fun too. Great weather, couldn't have asked for a better day since it's usually much warmer this time of year. Unfortunately I dont think anyone got any pics because we were moving constantly all day and just didn't have a chance, but needless to say, if you didn't make it, you missed out! I sincerely hope to have SCT down again in the near future, so if you see a posting for another SCT course in SD, jump on it....you wont regret it.

                And to those who did attend, thank you for the support, good attitudes and help with clean-up at the end of the day. And for next time, PLEASE make sure to pass the word to your buddies so we can fill up the next class.

                Thanks also to Alex for the use of his range, and to Alex and Bill for their assistance with safety and instruction.
                "Freedom begins with an act of defiance"

                Quote for the day:
                "..the mind is the weapon and the hand only its extention. Discipline your mind!" Master Hao, Chenrezi monastery, Valley of the Sun

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                • #9
                  DannyInSoCal
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 8271

                  Ditto the other posters - Great instruction and the competitions added to the stress of the situations making the training feel much more "real" than just shooting at targets.

                  Jason, Alex, Bill, and my classmates were patient with a newbie like myself - And Stone Cobra delivered invaluble instruction. I now know what skills I need to work on for the next SCT training.

                  I also picked up great advice just from listening to the "off-time" conversations about gear and tactics.

                  Special thanx to everyone for not shooting my Jeep across the canyon when I got lost - Or shooting that BMW when that guy picked up the ammo box (Pay it forward) - And for helping me pick up some of my 6.8 brass...

                  (I was the only one to kill the metal targets...

                  Next time I'll bring enough cigars for everyone...

                  If you are considering a tactical class - Click or call Stone Cobra Tactical now..!!
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