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**ramzar** · 08-08-2010, 5:38 PM

Falcon's Tactical Shotgun I on Saturday, August 7, 2010

I took the Tactical Shotgun I class with Falcon Security Group yesterday and for only my second class with them I came away impressed -- again.

Altogether we had five students and an impressive three instructors! One of the instructors is going to Afghanistan next week as Private Military Contractor (PMC). The knowledge, experience, patience and teaching abilities of the instructors are to be commended.

Most of the students other than me had very little or no experience with a shotgun and it was quite astonishing to see the level of competency they attained in just one day. A lot of that has to do with the amount of attention each individual student gets when you have three instructors for just five students!

All the material on the syllabus (listed at the bottom) was covered in a logical progression plus due to the low number of students even more drills per student.

The openness, patience and welcoming attitude of the instructors is refreshing. During breaks we were allowed to do just pistol drills on our own and against other students and instructors.

A tremendous amount was done in one day for just $165.

Highly recommended for the novice and experienced students.

Syllabus:

**bb2007** · 08-09-2010, 9:16 AM

sounds like you enjoyed the course Ram.

i am looking forward to taking it in October.

how do you like the Falcon guys?

i have not had a chance to try out other schools. what is the typical instructor / student ratio at other places?

**ramzar** · 08-09-2010, 9:48 AM

Falcon's instructor to student ratio is the best I've seen and it's not just the sheer number of instructors but the fact that they are all so well qualified and experienced. So, a great way to be introduced into the manipulation and tactics of the various firearms. Eventually, I do recommend that you attend other reputable firearms training facilities to broaden your horizon and be exposed to other instructors, training, tactics and equipment.

**FALCONSECURITYGROUP** · 08-12-2010, 4:51 PM

Ram,

Thank you from all of us at FALCON for your straight forward perspective on how we conduct our training courses. Its is our belief that each course should have a min of 2 instructors no matter what. If you look at the NRA guide lines for example, for every 4 students it is recommended that 1 instructor be present on the line. That does not include a RSO (Range Safety Officer) or the instructor that is running the line calling out courses of fire.

For FALCON, it is not about student to dollar ratio. It is about providing a quality product at a great price and having all students regardless of the level the student is at be able to retain the vital information being disseminated. It is important that all students walk away from our courses with more tools in their tool box when they leave or at least polish up the tools they have already attained.

Looking forward to having you attend the TAC II Pistol course again at the end of the month. And bring your A game. I think Oddjob is going to really try and get you out of your comfort zone early

Voodoo

**IMC87** · 08-12-2010, 5:01 PM

I have a question, how do BB'd ar15s work out in a class like Tactical Rifle?

**Miataguy** · 08-12-2010, 5:59 PM

I so desperately want to take the Tac Pistol 2 class.
But the one Saturday I work this month is the 28th.....ARGGGGH!!
When will the you run it again?????

**ramzar** · 08-12-2010, 6:16 PM

Originally posted by FALCONSECURITYGROUP

Ram,

Thank you from all of us at FALCON for your straight forward perspective on how we conduct our training courses. Its is our belief that each course should have a min of 2 instructors no matter what. If you look at the NRA guide lines for example, for every 4 students it is recommended that 1 instructor be present on the line. That does not include a RSO (Range Safety Officer) or the instructor that is running the line calling out courses of fire.

For FALCON, it is not about student to dollar ratio. It is about providing a quality product at a great price and having all students regardless of the level the student is at be able to retain the vital information being disseminated. It is important that all students walk away from our courses with more tools in their tool box when they leave or at least polish up the tools they have already attained.

Looking forward to having you attend the TAC II Pistol course again at the end of the month. And bring your A game. I think Oddjob is going to really try and get you out of your comfort zone early

Voodoo

Voodoo,

I call it like it is and stay as much as I can on objective feedback. Like Detective Sergeant Joe Friday used to say: "Just the facts, ma'am."

You guys have great instructors and just as importantly more than enough to go around so that those that need special attention get it to get up to speed. Those more accomplished also get special attention to get them out of their comfort zone and thus get better.

Good job and keep it up,
Ram

**FALCONSECURITYGROUP** · 08-12-2010, 11:21 PM

FALCON is running a TAC II course of either pistol or rifle at the end of each month. This allows, we believe, for the shooter to have chance at one of our TAC I courses and verify if our style of teaching is acceptable to them. Additionally, it prepares you for the level of which you will be trained and guided during a TAC II course.

So, with that being said, check our schedule for the end of each month for a TAC II. If the schedule maintains is momentum then our next TAC II pistol course should be the end of October.

Regards,

FALCON

**DavidRSA** · 08-13-2010, 1:22 PM

Definitely keen to try out the carbine class. Can anyone tell me how long it takes for the LAPD to print out a background check (required for the class)?

**ramzar** · 08-13-2010, 1:58 PM

Originally posted by DavidRSA

Definitely keen to try out the carbine class. Can anyone tell me how long it takes for the LAPD to print out a background check (required for the class)?

**ramzar** · 08-13-2010, 4:34 PM

The only other place I know of where you can get a copy of your criminal history record is through the California Department of Justice: http://www.ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/security.php

I'm all the more impressed with firearms training outfits that have such vetting process.

**FALCONSECURITYGROUP** · 08-13-2010, 5:36 PM

Ram,

I like the follow up on the location for you refereed the fellow member to. I think maybe this is something I will research for the major county's and post the locations via our website.

Thanks for the idea.

See you soon.

Regards,

Voodoo

**ramzar** · 08-13-2010, 6:10 PM

Anything to make it convenient for the student is a plus and sometimes all it takes is the appropriate links to the necessary info.

The following are from a post on this website and another from the Falcon website:

ALL STUDENTS MUST BRING A CRIMINAL RECORD PRINT OUT FROM THEIR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS WITH THEM FOR ALL COURSES TAC-I AND HIGHER. THE COST OF THE REPORT VARIES FROM AGENCY TO AGENCY. THIS REPORT PROTECTS ALL OF US WHO SEEK PROFESSIONAL FIREARMS INSTRUCTION.

(Exemptions: Valid CCW / LEO ID / DOD-CAC Card / Returning Students)

Criminal history print out is required for two main reasons. First, we at FALCON are all actively working in one form or another in the law enforcement field, thus we do not want to train those who may have desire to do our brothers and sisters harm. Second, based on our requirements with the NRA, DOD, DOS we must verify at the time a student participates in one of our training courses that they are legally able to attend.

**rysmithjr** · 08-17-2010, 1:06 PM

http://ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/security_faq.php

My employer is asking for a copy of my criminal history record. Can I give it to them?

No. California Penal Code section 11142 prohibits you from giving your copy of your criminal record to an unauthorized third party. In addition, California Penal Code section 11125 prohibits an individual or agency from requiring you to provide him/her or the agency with a copy of your criminal record or proof that a record does or does not exist. Violation of either of these sections is a misdemeanor offense.

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