IDPA - Defensive Multi Gun

[jwc]

News sent today to IDPA members via email blast:

"IDPA is very pleased to announce IDPA Defensive Multi Gun. IDPA was created around the defensive use of a handgun. However, we realize there are a lot of rifles and shotguns placed in closets, trunks, bedsides, etc. as defensive tools as well. In an effort to include the use of these tools, IDPA Defensive Multi Gun (DMG) was created. DMG was not created to replace existing IDPA matches. It is simply another format that clubs can use in addition to their regular IDPA matches. IDPA DMG is a stand alone match format that could be run after regular club matches or on different weekends for an extra challenge and fun. It is designed to be adaptable to the club's capabilities and you can incorporate any combination of pistols, shotguns and rifles.

There are 4 divisions for DMG. There is an iron sight and optic sight division for major caliber rifles and there are iron sight and optic sight divisions for pistol caliber carbines only. We feel that the pistol caliber divisions will bring out a whole new level of challenge and fun to an already exciting format."

[SuperSet]

Cool, I too saw the email today and glanced over the rules a bit. Some first impressions:

1. I'm glad to hear that they didn't cap the rifle magazines at 10rds, but I'm not sure why they chose to cap the shotguns.

2. IDPA HQ is late to the game as 3-gun's popularity is exploding at the local level and most local clubs are choosing to run their own rules. It'd be interesting to see how widespread DMG becomes.

[gose]

Ehum...

18 rounds rifle max / stage. If minimum > 15 rounds, reload is required.
10 shotgun rounds max / stage. 6 max in the shotgun and only allowed to carry 6 extra shells.

No recoil reducing devices (Benelli M2 not legal?)
No extended safety buttons or bolt handles...

If the major 3-gun matches aren't run under USPSAs rules because they're too restrictive, they sure as hell wont switch to this...
Local matches might pop up every here and there, but there's no way any of the big matches are going to switch to this and with the current rules, I seriously doubt any big matches will spring up either.

Too late, too weak...

[gose]

some more thoughts:

10 shotgun rounds max / stage isnt much... Especially since you're only allowed 5+1 and an additional 6 on your belt, two spare rounds isnt a lot, especially if the stage is mixed bird/slugs.

Oddly enough no mag capacity for rifle, but stages with more than 15 rounds (18 max / stage) must have a mandatory reload.

No weak shoulder long gun at more than 20 yards as well as the no headshots beyond 30y seems a bit restrictive.

"only one type of ammunition may be loaded before the start of a stage", so no mixing bird and slugs in the tube. Not really sure I understand the need for this either, especially with the 5+1 mag capacity.

15yard max total movement for a multigun stage? I can understand that they dont want it to be about who can run a 100y dash faster, but 3 guns in 15 yards?

[SuperSet]

Dude, for someone who doesn't shoot IDPA, you sure provide a helluva lot of input. Nothing good on TV tonight?

Fast forward a few months and I can see some of the local clubs trying out the rules and discarding some that don't work well, don't make sense or prove difficult to enforce. And you already mentioned it, I can't see a big match adopting the rules. But, I believe there will be an audience for this. Veteran 3-gunners probably won't attend but IDPA-centric shooters with limited equipment will try it.

[mecam]

As long as it's better than Chabot's new tactical rifle match, I'll give it a shot. Maybe I'll play with a Bullet button rifle. So a .223 will be considered a major caliber in this match?

[gose]

Dude, for someone who doesn't shoot IDPA, you sure provide a helluva lot of input. Nothing good on TV tonight?

Fast forward a few months and I can see some of the local clubs trying out the rules and discarding some that don't work well, don't make sense or prove difficult to enforce. And you already mentioned it, I can't see a big match adopting the rules. But, I believe there will be an audience for this. Veteran 3-gunners probably won't attend but IDPA-centric shooters with limited equipment will try it.

Hey, I resent that... I shoot IDPA...

Well, I've shot the classifier once

[SuperSet]

According to the rulebook, IDPA doesn't reward major caliber so .223 will work just fine in either SSG or ESG.
Speaking of Chabot, I'd take a hard look at these rules and take them for a spin. It may be a good fit.

[3gunner]

I am running the California State IDPA pistol match on October 9 at Bakersfield. I may have to set up a DMG side match and see how it works out. Heavy Metal IDPA style now that might be interesting.

[Hans Gruber]

I'm pretty excited and I hope that my local IDPA club starts running these matches. I already have everything I need equipmentwise to compete.

The only thing that I'm not sure about is how the rifle stages will work w/BB equipment. Maybe CA clubs will tend to restrict rifle portions of stages to 10 rounds.

[SuperSet]

Since the COF is 18 rifle rounds max and a reload is required for anything over 15 rounds, you will be at no disadvantage running a BB.

[Chivas]

This sounds way too restrictive. Hell, I shoot IDPA and think some of the rules are ridiculous. Like if you run out of ammo in the open you have to run to cover and then reload. I always get dinged for that one. In real life if I run out of ammo I will start reloading where ever I am. Anyways, I do not see this exploding very fast. I cannot think of shooting a 3-Gun match with 3 guns in 15 yards.

[Untamed1972]

I wish someone would come up with some rifle/carbine only run-n-gun type matches too

[What Just Happened?]

I wish someone would come up with some rifle/carbine only run-n-gun type matches too

+1.

[SuperSet]

I wish someone would come up with some rifle/carbine only run-n-gun type matches too

WEGC did a rifle-only match a few weeks ago that was pretty successful. And they will do it again.


So, the real question is -- which IDPA clubs will take these rules for a spin?