Competition capacity?

[Mcmc]

Tried some google searches but no dice, so hoping for some insight here!

I have not done any competitive shooting but am very interested to start. Was watching a video with Chris Cheng, and he was showing his hi cap pistol and rifle mags. He also mentioned he's from CA.

How does he own those hicap mags? Do we assume those were all freedom week buys?

There's no exception for professional shooters in CA right. Do all matches basically run with 10+1 caps or less?

Thank you!

[CAL.BAR]

All the matches I have done recently only call for 10 rounders

[RickD427]

Tried some google searches but no dice, so hoping for some insight here!

I have not done any competitive shooting but am very interested to start. Was watching a video with Chris Cheng, and he was showing his hi cap pistol and rifle mags. He also mentioned he's from CA.

How does he own those hicap mags? Do we assume those were all freedom week buys?

There's no exception for professional shooters in CA right. Do all matches basically run with 10+1 caps or less?

Thank you!

There is no magazine exemption for competition shooting.

There is a narrow exemption from the Assault Weapon statute for competitors in sanctioned matches (refer to PC 30665).

Possession of large-capacity magazines remains illegal in California, but enforcement of the possession clause of the Large-Capacity Magazine statute is currently prohibited by federal court order.

But the current court order does not prohibit enforcement of the importation clause.

[Mcmc]

There is no magazine exemption for competition shooting.

There is a narrow exemption from the Assault Weapon statute for competitors in sanctioned matches (refer to PC 30665).

Possession of large-capacity magazines remains illegal in California, but enforcement of the possession clause of the Large-Capacity Magazine statute is currently prohibited by federal court order.

But the current court order does not prohibit enforcement of the importation clause.

Thanks for the reference to PC 30665, that's new to me and I will read up on that.

I also didn't know about the federal prohibition of the enforcement of large cap magazine statue - is this related to Bruen?

I swear, CA gun owners must be the smartest people in the US with having to make heads and tails of the spaghetti that is the CA gun law book.

[IVC]

Different competitions will have different rules. USPSA has several divisions with capacity limitations (Production, Single Stack, Revolver, Limited 10, from the top of my head). Other matches might have implicit limitations, e.g., if they are scored as Virginia Count (fixed number of rounds, usually 6 or 8 before mandatory reloads) and there is no need for standard magazines.

But there is theory and reality of competition. I won't talk too much about it, except that there is no way to know which magazines are obtained in which way or when, and that for the purposes of AW it's not known which firearms are RAW (registered) and which are not, so enforcement of any of the technical laws at a competition would be impossible.

[RickD427]

Thanks for the reference to PC 30665, that's new to me and I will read up on that.

I also didn't know about the federal prohibition of the enforcement of large cap magazine statue - is this related to Bruen?

I swear, CA gun owners must be the smartest people in the US with having to make heads and tails of the spaghetti that is the CA gun law book.

The federal case is not directly related to NYSRPA v Bruen.

The case I mentioned was Duncan v Bonta. Ms. Duncan filed her case prior to the Supreme Court's decision in NYSRPA. Ms. Bonta won her case in District Court and upon the state's appeal to the Ninth Circuit. The Ninth Circuit granted an en banc rehearing and held for the state. She requested certiorari from the Supreme Court and that Court GVR'd the case back to the Ninth Circuit for further consideration in light of NYSRPA. That's where the case currently sits.

[Snoopy47]

Unrelated to the previous mentioned court dealings.

USPSA rules for a few divisions does limit the capacity to 10+1. So that's going to apply to all matches everywhere nation wide.

Divisions limited by USPSA rules:
Production
Single Stack

Otherwise smoke'm if you got em in all other divisions if you are comfortable shooting at the match you intend to use them at (based on the legal reasons mentioned above).

Now.......... in Steel Challenge matches (under the same equipment division rules basically) capacity advantage is essentially nullified because the string of fire is 5 rounds (with a new magazine at the beginning of each string of 5). You're not going to be at the top of the pecking order if you need more than 10 (or really missing any at all), so capacity really doesn't matter in Steel Challenge.

[mixicus]

There are plenty of competition opportunities for CA legal mags. I?ll assume you are looking at action pistol style competition. The major organizations have divisions based on equipment rules with many being 10 round friendly. In this space, take a look at:

USPSA?s Production, Limited 10, Single Stacked and Revolver divisions
Steel Challenge (as mentioned above) doesn?t benefit from higher mag capacity
GSSF (Glock matches)
NRA Action Pistol (Bianchi Cup)
PPC

I know IDPA has a revolver division. I don?t know if there is also a mag limited division as well.

NRA Bullseye

As a starting point, I suggest taking a look in your safe and seeing what organization/division best fits your current gear. Basically: ?run what ya brung? and have fun.

[oddjob]

Mcmc,

You didn't mention what area you are located. Someone here will pop up and help you out as to the who, where, what & why questions. You will find USPSA/Steel Challenge shooters to be very friendly..... Maybe even IDPA shooters (just kidding).

[sigstroker]

There was a club or two in the bay area that followed the don't-ask-don't-tell rule when it came to mag capacity. Pretty much nobody used low-caps though. Stages often required 30-ish hits, so low-caps were at a big disadvantage.

[SG29736]

Generally speaking at most organized competition matches there are divisions where lower (usually 10 rounds in mag) capacity is required. You are not competing directly against everyone else, just against those in their same division. But you can look at the overall scores to see where you placed against everyone.

[BrassCase]

USPSA has divisions that just have magazine size rules, not capacity. Production and Limited 10 are 10+1 but Carry Optic is ruled by magazine length and so are several other divisions.

[Mayor McRifle]

I have not done any competitive shooting but am very interested to start.

Where do you live? Have you figured out how to find matches on Practiscore yet? You might have to take a 1-day class for people who are new to competitive shooting before you can start.

How does he own those hicap mags? Do we assume those were all freedom week buys?

You’re forgetting the first two rules of Fight Club.

[BadKitty]

How does he own those hicap mags? Do we assume those were all freedom week buys?

You?re forgetting the first two rules of Fight Club.

A few years back, I did a competition with standard mags. While I was waiting on a bench for the next stage, some random guy was eyeballing my gun case. Then he walked up to me and started in on "do you realize your magazines aren't legal?"

MYOB

[Mayor McRifle]

A few years back, I did a competition with standard mags. While I was waiting on a bench for the next stage, some random guy was eyeballing my gun case. Then he walked up to me and started in on "do you realize your magazines aren't legal?"

MYOB

It still surprises me that anyone cares.

But for those that do . . .

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