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[Vinnie Boombatz]

The first time i took the class I used a 4X ACOG with an RMR mounted on top thinking it would help for close range stuff. The added RMR wasn't a good plan for me. Too high and not building that consistent muscle memory presentation was varied due to the different optic heights, slower and unproductive. The instructor said to just choose one. Just using the ACOG was great.

The second time taking the class I used a LPVO. The added weight is the only negative I noticed. I like the variable magnification availability and will choose that for my upcoming class in April.

Appreciate the feedback. I get the added wright adding up over the course of 4 days. Other than that the rest of the rifle is pretty lightweight and I keep it pretty simple and not a fan of cluttering up a rifle with a bunch of other crap aside from a set of canted BUIS.

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[rodralig]

glad to know some of my wisdom actually stuck with a few students.
good seeing you rodralig.

Same here Jedi54


Same here!!! Same here!!!

I am now debating whether to head out to Gabe Suarez in May! Or PF!

For one, PF will be a lesser hassle of a drive. While I am very much interested in the new curriculum, just like you, I too am wondering about how much they would be $$$ post-April.

... Or maybe Gabe in May and PF in Autumn... After my little promotion at work, I will accrue 2-days/month - I talked to my boss that I will need to take a week off every quarter so I don't stop accruing (paid time off is still pay)...

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[Mezcalfud]

I ran 3 mags on a belt and 1 in a pocket and never ran dry. Most of our shooting was at the 7. We did go to 200 and everyone was hitting the gongs with RDS. We did a lot of moving and shooting, multiple steel targets (on the hill and staggered), and most was from the ready. RDS was accurate and fast and I am glad I didn't have my 3x. There is also a lot of emphasis on knowing your point of impact at the various ranges which really helps with the RDS.
I don't know how it will be in other classes, with other instructors, etc. but the atmosphere is definitely more flexible and professional. If skills were met, we moved on or worked on things the class felt they needed to revisit. It was just a better experience.

[beanz2]

That’s awesome.

Total round count?

[Mezcalfud]

I did the 2 day rifle SB and went through about 1k but a lot of that was voluntary. Small class+ new format+ burning through instruction= lots of additional drills and skills. As always, slowing down and dry fire can reduce count.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

I ran 3 mags on a belt and 1 in a pocket and never ran dry. Most of our shooting was at the 7. We did go to 200 and everyone was hitting the gongs with RDS. We did a lot of moving and shooting, multiple steel targets (on the hill and staggered), and most was from the ready. RDS was accurate and fast and I am glad I didn't have my 3x. There is also a lot of emphasis on knowing your point of impact at the various ranges which really helps with the RDS.
I don't know how it will be in other classes, with other instructors, etc. but the atmosphere is definitely more flexible and professional. If skills were met, we moved on or worked on things the class felt they needed to revisit. It was just a better experience.

So you feel like the red dot was sufficient? I’m still leaning more toward the LPVO given I could just run is at 1x, but the Holosun 510C I have has a huge window and could definitely see the advantages of having that over the LPVO. Considering biting the bullet and shelling out for quick release mounts and then zero both at the range and be able to switch from one to the other if needed.

Also wondering what the total round count was all said and done and if you short more of less than the advertised 400 rounds/day. Also, how many mags did you bring with you in addition to the 3 on your belt and one in your pocket?

Thanks!

[Mezcalfud]

^^ Red dot all day for me. The squared stance, both eyes open and bringing the sight to you, along with the quickness of the movements and firing just seems easier with the RDS. I run an Aimpoint Pro effectively out to 200 yds with the same firing positions as on 7yds and was ringing gongs everytime. The lvpo would be great for the slow/fixed and distance shots but would suck for the quick shots. I also think moving and shooting or transitions would be slower. I'd try both so you know what works and doesn't, or it may be just right for how you train. Just my opinion which is often wrong per my wife!
I always have 8 mags in my bag but 4 was plenty. I'd estimate we ran 850 to 1k depending on each person but again, we did a lot of drills and timing events over, for betterment or fun!

[mikeinla]

FACTORY AMMO for pistol???????

Are students doing the "same thing" about factory ammo at PF as they did at Front Sight??

[VolvoWrench]

more flexible and professional.

More professional?
Man, I gotta experience this.

[Jedi54]

Vinnie:
my usual answer is run what you brung. Your lpvo will be fine but an RDS is also perfectly fine.
First time I took the class as a student I ran a Vortex RDS with a 3x. by day 3 I unmounted the magnifier because it was just slowing me down and it wasn't needed out to 100.

Question for you: What do you want this rifle for? general home defense? up close and personal type shooting or do you see yourself using it more for longer ranges.
Both of your optics are capable of it, one might be better than the other but I'd encourage you to run it in the configuration you'll be utilizing it for more often.
Especially now that there isn't a test, you don't need to worry about making times where the rds should have advantages.

know that doesn't really answer your question but hope it points you in the right direction.

[Mezcalfud]

I have figured out most things in my set up and training but I am struggling with 2 things-

Ear muffs suck and I've knocked them off and taken a bang to the ear more than once. I'm switching to in ear soon. Any ideas on brands? I see AXL a lot.

I can't find gloves that aren't trash after a few hours. Pigs, 5.11, Mechanic, etc. Fingers shred and I end up cutting them, then they unravel. Palms shred with BCM grips.I was going to try leather gardening gloves next.

[CheapBloke]

I have figured out most things in my set up and training but I am struggling with 2 things-

Ear muffs suck and I've knocked them off and taken a bang to the ear more than once. I'm switching to in ear soon. Any ideas on brands? I see AXL a lot.

I can't find gloves that aren't trash after a few hours. Pigs, 5.11, Mechanic, etc. Fingers shred and I end up cutting them, then they unravel. Palms shred with BCM grips.I was going to try leather gardening gloves next.

Have you tried fingerless gloves? Or the ones with index and thumb open?

[Jedi54]

I use molded sport ear (axil) and they've been great. Pricey at $2k but I don't have to worry about breaking the seal on a presentation and then having my ears ringing.

I have a few friends running the Walkers https://www.walkersgameear.com/ and really like them. Not full in ear like the Axils but at a much better price point.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Vinnie:
my usual answer is run what you brung. Your lpvo will be fine but an RDS is also perfectly fine.
First time I took the class as a student I ran a Vortex RDS with a 3x. by day 3 I unmounted the magnifier because it was just slowing me down and it wasn't needed out to 100.

Question for you: What do you want this rifle for? general home defense? up close and personal type shooting or do you see yourself using it more for longer ranges.
Both of your optics are capable of it, one might be better than the other but I'd encourage you to run it in the configuration you'll be utilizing it for more often.
Especially now that there isn't a test, you don't need to worry about making times where the rds should have advantages.

know that doesn't really answer your question but hope it points you in the right direction.