Point shooting

[hermosabeach]

Any benefit to a drill like this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HfVP0TUHvJs&feature=youtu.be

From the video description

Glock pistol with red dot sight cut but no sights, from holster, shooting 3 cardboard and 1 steel target at speed. Then shooting the steel target from 20 yards, slowly.

If you can't reliably hit the center of one of these targets at 7 yards without sights, you shouldn't be carrying a pistol with a red dot sight.

[rodralig]

Any benefit to a drill like this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HfVP0TUHvJs&feature=youtu.be

From the video description

Glock pistol with red dot sight cut but no sights, from holster, shooting 3 cardboard and 1 steel target at speed. Then shooting the steel target from 20 yards, slowly.

If you can't reliably hit the center of one of these targets at 7 yards without sights, you shouldn't be carrying a pistol with a red dot sight.

Interesting... And quite timely...

I was in an indoor range this afternoon for some #pewPew wanting to experiment what @IVC had hinted in a separated thread (see below) - confirming my presentation with the (1) red dot off and the (2) window blocked.

I first tried in dry practice using a laser cartridge and a full-sized target at actual 10-yards. I find that I can hit the A-zone from the draw 70~80% of the time. It was eye opening that I wanted to try it in live fire; since it was an indoor range - starting from the retention position (step #3 of the draw) rather from the holster - single shot only. Also, without my Rx safety glasses - I am unable to make out my iron sights, thus, essentially shooting "blind." Was working off kinesthetic feel and target focus sight.

I found that I am consistent at 7-yards; at 10-yards, shots started drifting to the C-zone. Interesting to note, too, that if I had any form of sights - my shots tend to the left. With no sights, my shots to the right. Hhhmmm...




I am looking forward to adding this drill to my practice, hoping to see what benefits it brings.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=26488135&postcount=37

OTOH, if you just look at the center of the window, you'll have more than adequate aiming capability in a self-defense scenario. It's more of a problem in competition if you have distant tuxedos or narrow targets surrounded by no-shoots. In fact, shooting in practice without turning the dot on is a good test of the consistency of your presentation.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=26489534&postcount=43

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Blocking the window on RDS helps you stop riding the sights, but the final presentation is still off of your red dot since you use both eyes and will see the dot. And, you can still ride the sights, albeit not as easily, since you use both eyes during transition. On the other hand, turning the dot off doesn't help with not riding the sights, it is about the accuracy and consistency of the final state. And you should do it in live fire, because you won't know how well you're doing in dry fire (maybe you could confirm through BUIS, but it might create other bad habits).

TL;DR Blocking the window trains correct gun travel from A to B, while turning the dot off trains correct settling down at B.

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[RandyD]

This is my 2 cents worth of opinion. Shooting slow and accurately takes a lot less ammo to become proficient. It takes a lot more ammo and time to become proficient in point shooting, and point shooting is a skill that deteriorates very quickly. Unless you have a lot of ammo, and time to devote to acquiring and maintaining the skill it is not practical. Besides, what is the probability of actually having to use the technique, and even if the opportunity presents itself, would you risk using the technique and missing and hitting something that causes you a lot of liability.

[rodralig]

Besides, what is the probability of actually having to use the technique, and even if the opportunity presents itself, would you risk using the technique and missing and hitting something that causes you a lot of liability.

IMO it is less of the technique of point shooting but on the foundations that build up the technique. It sharpens, makes for a more efficient/effective presentation, even for sighted fire. Heard of NPA, natural point of aim?

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[broadside]

I have been point shooting forever. When shooting production in USPSA I found that for 15 yds and in I was a good shot when I didn't transition early (separate issue) being target focused and thinking I was using the sights a little bit.

But then I realized I was looking over the sights completely and purely index/point shooting unless the target was 15+ yds out or a smaller popper. Almost made A doing that and I don't practice, just shoot matches.

While I think it was a disadvantage in production, it made switching to CO super easy for me. The dot is basically where I was looking over the gun already and target focus means I don't have to tape the dot