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Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)
Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
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OpinionsRule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)
Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
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I've only watched a few minutes and it's pretty good so far.
I think the background music is too loud though.Comment
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Yea, agree............... Grip is instrumental.
Depends on what the objective is. GM is a legit accomplishment, but through a "gamed system". What I mean is getting GM is less about shooting, and more about time management.
I'm pretty confident he's spent way more time at managing his movements and reloads than he has on actual shooting. It's just that shooting the gun is the sexy part, but all the gun is in doing is stopping the clock. And time is the overwhelming aspect of the score.
So, while during that time practicing time management if grip is 100% constant other things such as sight picture and trigger control can be relatively sloppy.
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Here's what I've experienced for myself.
While shooting bullseye everything has to be perfect. Especially out to 50 yards single hand shooting. I absolutely know when I've ruined a shot before the gun finishes cycling.
Accuracy is paramount, and is the only measure of score. While the course of fire is "timed" there is more than enough time to make the perfect shot relative to the mount of rounds fired. The fastest timed round is 5 rounds in 10 seconds, which is 2 second splits at 25 yards, not 0.2 splits. PLUS, the gun is already held level and aimed at the target ready for the command to fire.
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Now, what I'm getting at here is the GM is giving great advice that is relevant to shooting, but it's not the only pathway to GM.
While I was shooting USPSA matches I have found that I'm taking my sweat time and focusing too much on shooting. I'd get perfect all Alpha runs and get beat by guys hitting C's and D's. What's up with that? So the next stage I just went nuts and threw caution to the wind, and hit four Charlies and ended up on top.
However, that performance of 4 Charlies would be death in a GSSF (Glock) match.
So being GM is about gaming the game.
If you watch the video, he's throwing lead at the plate super fast, but in one segment you see a round hit the berm like 5 feet at the 2 o'clock from the target. In GSSF that would be a miss. There are no make up shots. So effectively a 10 second penalty which can be as much as 20% of a top tier score. So that's basically death.
In USPSA, well, throwing lead super fast is fine if you don't need to reload. And as I found out the hard way, making up a C shot in hopes for an A takes up more time than it's worth, than just shooting fast C's.
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Now, I do hope to make it to Master or better, and I'm not the one in a position to give my qualified advice on competitive shooting, but in all the sports I have participated with I have found the top dogs have access to their own means of unlimited practice. In racing it has been the ones with business in the industry with access to logistics, and additional track time, and with shooting it never fails to be the guys with access to a range and time to practice.
So in my view, to get to the top, listen to the top dogs in how they do things, but more importantly putting the time in to develop muscle memory is paramount. With enough time and self discipline anyone can get there. Old fat men can even (and are) at the top of these shooting sports.Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy.Comment
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YouTube banned from where I sit, I am unable to comment.Comment
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Some other things to think about:
Lookup any of the Nationals on Practiscore results and you’ll see that the idea of just hosing targets and settling for Charlies just isn’t true. The winner will be very likely shooting >80-85% Alphas.
Movement is extremely important in the game. But if you noticed that out of all the classifiers, a large percentage >85% involve no movement at all. You need to stand and deliver in a shortest timeframe possible, if we’re just talking getting your GM card.
Anecdotally, I used to think like you in that I thought I could outrun my mikes. It turns out that I hit a wall at Master until I really had to dial it back down and cement my sloppy fundamentals to advance further. It also helped greatly that I had excellent training partners and I was in my 20s.Comment
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Music is distracting and shouldn't be there, but it's the problem with the online video schools where they push a narrative that the music is going to make a video stand out. Manbun... well, no comment.
Now to the actual content. It's a very good video, much better than I expected when it started. The section at the end about workout is a very nice touch, way too often overlooked. What I really liked about the video is that the guy is mature and experienced enough to know that he can provide the principles, but the details of the technique will be different for each person. The instruction is for people to get better, not "here, watch me how well I can do it" or "here's me pumping some serious iron." The emphasis is on being useful as a teaching tool and using the gym to improve your shooting, not to get buffed.
The only negative for me was a few technical terms, such as saying "lever" for torque (moment of force). I know what he means, but the physicist in me gets alarmed and starts screaming. There were few inaccuracies of that sort, nothing major and nothing worth getting upset over.
There is one disagreement I have with him, which is the relative importance of grip vs. trigger control. Trigger control is more important by far. Only after trigger control is sorted out and sufficiently refined does the grip become the primary concern. He is likely assuming that people watching video already have refined trigger control and are looking at the next level, the dynamic shooting, in which case the *next* most important element of technique is indeed the grip.
And one missing piece is how grip and trigger control relate to predictive shooting, which is a counterpart of shooting a fully-automatic firearm - one *keeps the sights on target* as the gun keeps firing, one does not go through the *aim, confirm, pull the trigger* cycle of slow fire. While this can be pushed to another video, it's actually fundamental to the reasons why groups will tighten with good grip, which is something he talks about.
Overall, very good content and very informative. If I could only turn off the music. And the manbun... ugh.sigpicNRA Benefactor MemberComment
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This is true - you were trained to shoot faster, you just didn't want to get out of your comfort zone where you move faster (free time) and start shooting sooner (seems faster, shaves off quite a bit of time). If you kept training "going nuts" and worked on *seeing* the sights as you "go nuts", then made sure that all of your fundamentals were sound so that you *know* that if you see the sights you'll execute the shot, you'd be on your way to a GM.
USPSA has Virginia count, mostly classifiers. No make-up shots. It's a slightly different strategy, but the principles are the same.
In fact, only poorly designed stages in USPSA are hosing stages. Most will have a hard target somewhere in the mix, e.g., a single distant small popper in the midst of close open targets at weird angle. And steel doesn't have the C zone.sigpicNRA Benefactor MemberComment
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Trigger control is much more important then aiming. It doesnt do any good to aim then jerk the gun off the target when pulling the trigger.Comment
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Take your pick... In varying levels of speed/accuracy.
The way I see it --- Bullseye - GSSF - IDPA - USPSA - Multi-Gun... You could always try IDPA where a higher premium is placed on accuracy (you are heavily penalized for inaccuracy).
Not necessarily... Especially for the shooters with good shot calling skills, and understanding of the HF math.making up a C shot in hopes for an A takes up more time than it's worth, than just shooting fast C's.
I think it is already at 90% plus... When most top shooters are already moving as efficiently as possible to the limits of human function, it now become an accuracy thing.
This was highlighted in one class I was in - once you get to the As, Ms and GMs, the speeds are more or less polished that it is now a battle of accuracy. For example, Christian Sailer is so accurate.
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Experienced shooters who shoot steel know that when all of a sudden you see a hit way off target on the berm it's almost always an edge hit on the steel, not a miss.Comment
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Exactly. One will not become a GM hosing targets without accuracy. One can not shoot fast enough to make up for the misses especially in classifiers where there are no make-up shots.
If one looks at results of Regional and National matches one will notice that there are very few Cs from top shooters."... when a man has shot an elephant his life is full"- John Alfred Jordan
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