3 gun scoring problem

[hexrob]

I shot a match yesterday that had a very high round count per stage. It was limited to 90 seconds, and very few people managed to finish within the 90 seconds. The penalty for a failure to engage was 15 sec. and failure to neutralize was 5 seconds. I noticed people shooting at many targets just to avoid the failure to engage penalty without even aiming. I don't see how that makes you better than the guy below you in the standings. I am just a beginner, but I shoot matches to get better with my weapons. What good does it do to place higher in the match if all you are doing is playing the strategy game?

[CDP45]

Look at the last word on your thread. (Game). Strategy plays a big part in playing the (Game). Playing the Game will get you more proficient with your weapon of choice. Just remember playing the Game is much different than real world scenarios. By playing the Game you will know how to manipulate your weapon of choice in the event you have some type of malfunction in real life. Enjoy it and appreciate the practice.

[fawndog]

Yes, get comfortable with the "GAMING" and don't fret much over scores.

[Religious Shooter]

Probably 99% of the rounds expended in war don't hit jack. Those 99% are made to make people duck/supress fire (so a destroying element can maneuver) ... make 'em scared and run away... etc.

It's not always about hitting.

As W would say... Strategery.

[Religious Shooter]

And I guess maybe somebody doesn't realize that not engaging (without a penalty) is a gamer strategy.

Part of the reasoning for the penalty is to help stop gaming it by not engaging targets.

[hexrob]

I would understand if it was a professional match, but not a local match. You don't improve by just pulling the trigger.

[CDP45]

Honestly it matters what you are looking for. If you want tactical training then I recommend using simunition rounds and train hard against an apponent. If you want to just throw rounds down range against a timer then play the game. Just remember there is strategy in both.

[dwalker]

Throwing a shot on the general direction of a target is not engaging it, some attempt to aim must be made. At the Area2 a few years ago several limited shooters planed to just snap of two rounds at the longer range targets and call that engaged, and the MD have then the penalties they deserved.

[mjmagee67]

I would be madder about the piss poor stage design. If you design a stage that most people can't finish you need to learn to design stages. A local match is a lot different than the National Championship. A stage can be designed to be challenging to both new and pro shooters.

I also don't know how you can assign a FTE penalty if someone just "seems" to wing a shot in the direction? How would you know if a person truely aimed while on the move or just sent the down range. Especially on a long or very hard shot.

[TomMcC]

I shot a match yesterday that had a very high round count per stage. It was limited to 90 seconds, and very few people managed to finish within the 90 seconds. The penalty for a failure to engage was 15 sec. and failure to neutralize was 5 seconds. I noticed people shooting at many targets just to avoid the failure to engage penalty without even aiming. I don't see how that makes you better than the guy below you in the standings. I am just a beginner, but I shoot matches to get better with my weapons. What good does it do to place higher in the match if all you are doing is playing the strategy game?

I was at the match you're speaking of. Take heart, this was the only match I have shot there that has been like this. With 70-90 people shooting it's an imperative to limit the time so the match can be completed. From my perspective, this didn't work work out so well. Some of us lobbied for an additional 30 sec so the stages at least were doable for most. It wasn't to be.

[Mazdaspeed Jon]

Typically the only stages where people have time-out issues are on the stages with long range rifle targets because people will go to war with every target. After the first "time-out," people learn to put 5 shots on target and then move on. Your first match can definitely be a humbling experience if you've never shot against the clock before.

[TomMcC]

I would point out that 2 of the stages were bears. Stage 6 was over 50 rds if I remember correctly. The best shooters were sometimes barely making the time usually with some penalties. Probably only 20% of the shooters made the time and nobody cleaned it. I was the first guy up on my squad for that one, and promptly showed everyone what NOT to do. Had an especially wretched plan. Even though I'm a bit of a geezer, I still manged 21st out of 75 guys. Pretty normal for me these days.

[Mazdaspeed Jon]

I would point out that 2 of the stages were bears. Stage 6 was over 50 rds if I remember correctly. The best shooters were sometimes barely making the time usually with some penalties. Probably only 20% of the shooters made the time and nobody cleaned it. I was the first guy up on my squad for that one, and promptly showed everyone what NOT to do. Had an especially wretched plan. Even though I'm a bit of a geezer, I still manged 21st out of 75 guys. Pretty normal for me these days.

Was this at the TTI Rifle match?

[Religious Shooter]

WEGC. The last 3G match in northern So Cal after this Sunday.

[Gryff]

I don't see how that makes you better than the guy below you in the standings.

Yeah, but you are talking the difference between 25th and 30th place. The point of the stage is to drive it hard. Only guys who can be fast and accurate are going to win or place high. Someone who "games" it to place better than you should not be one of your concerns. You should be worried about what you have to do to reach 5th place rather than 25th.