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  • PhoenixTacticalSolutions
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 1005

    Box Drill + Muzzle Discipline

    One of the drills we did in our Handgun Skill Builder class today. It's a Box Drill incorporating muzzle discipline. There are 4 "hostile" steel targets (two 6" and 2 small torsos) with 3 "friendly" paper targets which could be in your line of fire. The shooter has to move while being muzzle conscious and engage the targets that are called. Simply driving the gun from target to target would muzzle friendlies as well as possibly shoot one as they could be directly in the line of fire. We used a Jiu Jitsu/boxing side to side shuffle...a dynamic short sprint could also be used.

    "Find out what works for you...and evolve."
    "It's not how fast you shoot. It's how you shoot fast."
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    fritztkatt
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2015
    • 1061

    I like the concept. Don't think it's as big a problem to start with, but nothing wrong with building safe habits! Don't want to make this an opinionated discussion... so...

    Have you been able to quantify a difference in time/accuracy since you end up swinging the gun around? One can only assume it's slower, but how much? Much bigger difference between a novice and expert running it or is it more less consistent between skill levels?

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    • #3
      PhoenixTacticalSolutions
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 1005

      Thanks for watching and commenting!

      Great insights but I don't quite understand what you mean by "swinging the gun around"...please elaborate. Basically the gun comes to the ready (whatever your ready of choice is) once the target is down until you find the next one as there are 3 friendlies in the mix. On many of the shots the bad guy is not visible unless movement is made. Most are wired to have the gun at line of sight when handling multiple targets which would either mean muzzling or worst shooting a friendly (as they are VERY close/overlapping from certain perspectives). In a 3D environment, one may possibly have better or worse target acquisition or better/worse options to shoot but still difficult due to the close proximity of the good guys. Also bear in mind that friendlies and hostiles will probably be moving.

      When transitioning from target to target, the next target is usually not visible from the shooter's perspective. Normally when transitioning from target to target many over or under shoot the next target because they don't visually acquire it first. In this instance, the gun is brought up to each subsequent target so the sights are attained at the last possible moment and there may be a tendency for the novice shooter to let momentum take the gun up as he/she is shooting.

      It's tough to time as each run is different but I will try to have the shooter start at the same position and move to the next target as per your inquiry without a command or call out of the next target (basically 3 targets engaged starting from the same location). Please give me a bit of time until we have a similar class again.

      We did notice that it was VERY difficult for the shooters in class to bring the gun down as most class drills do not require this of the shooter. After the 2nd run they took to it and it was easier for them to do it. Just another tool in the tool box as they say and it's another muscle to train.

      Thanks again!

      Originally posted by fritztkatt
      I like the concept. Don't think it's as big a problem to start with, but nothing wrong with building safe habits! Don't want to make this an opinionated discussion... so...

      Have you been able to quantify a difference in time/accuracy since you end up swinging the gun around? One can only assume it's slower, but how much? Much bigger difference between a novice and expert running it or is it more less consistent between skill levels?
      "Find out what works for you...and evolve."
      "It's not how fast you shoot. It's how you shoot fast."

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      • #4
        PhoenixTacticalSolutions
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 1005

        Thanks for your comment!

        Got it. Yes, if the shooter uses a compressed ready it's probably easier to extend to the target thereby eliminating the momentum upwards. In a crowd it's probably better for weapon retention as well. I hear you on the "6 of one..." though.

        Originally posted by DeusExMachina
        I like the drill. Big fan of moving and shooting.
        If there is imminent mortal danger, I'm going to find my target, prep the trigger and break the shot.
        Shoot/No Shoot. Nothing will be static and the background will most likely not be a berm.
        I think FritzKatt was referring to the low ready position being at full extension, 45 degrees, instead of the pistol pulled into the chest slightly, muzzle angled downward.
        For me, it's 6 of one. Half dozen of another in that regard.
        Nonetheless. Great work. Great shooting.
        "Find out what works for you...and evolve."
        "It's not how fast you shoot. It's how you shoot fast."

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        • #5
          fritztkatt
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2015
          • 1061

          That's what caught my eye, was the shooter being in a low ready with what looked like outstretched arms.

          Agree on the compressed ready.

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