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  • emptybottle151
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 1503

    Had my first squib load yesterday

    Was shooting on BLM with friends the other day when I was doing a weapon transition from my Dad's AK 47 to my Glock 23 with the lone wolf 9-40 conversion barrel. "Pop , click" racked the slide and saw a bunch of unburnt powder when ejecting the case. Stopped and tore down the pistol and saw my bullet stuck in the barrel.

    These were my reloads 115gr Berry's copper plated, .57cc VihtaVuori 3N37 Winchester primers and Winchester range brass flying at 1112FPS. After looking at the case the firing pin indentation looked light and rounded instead of the rectangle shape that Glocks do. So assuming it was just a weak primer that didn't set off the powder.

    Felt real lucky and bought a lotto ticket. Ive reloaded close to 1500 9mm over 1000 .223/5.56 and 500 30-06 since 2013. It was bound to happen and I feel a little better knowing it was the components and not me. What does bug me is that I didn't hear the "mouse fart" through my ear muffs. Should probably get electronic muffs.
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    echo6cavedog
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • May 2011
    • 945

    Good you caught it before you fired the next round. That's one of my fears. Hopefully I'll never get to experience a squib.
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    • #3
      AandO
      Member
      • Nov 2014
      • 449

      Sadly, it was Winchester primers again..........

      I've been hearing too much negative re Winchester primers as of late to trust them in the mix anymore.

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      • #4
        noylj
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2010
        • 713

        If the primer had the power to move the bullet down the barrel, it had the power to ignite the powder. Did you inspect the powder for possible contamination?
        All squibs I have seen are powderless. Yours is very different.

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        • #5
          Fastattack
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2008
          • 1661

          I've had one too, and was cautious - which worked out good for me, but I was shaken up afterwards. Glad you are OK. Agree that it doesn't sound like a primer. Mine was due to firing (someone elses) ammo that had gotten wet.

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          • #6
            Enfield47
            Calguns Addict
            • Sep 2012
            • 6385

            Glad to hear no damage was done to you or your gun. Thankfully you knew to look for a problem instead of just firing another round.

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            • #7
              M1NM
              Calguns Addict
              • Oct 2011
              • 7966

              Originally posted by echo6cavedog
              Good you caught it before you fired the next round. That's one of my fears. Hopefully I'll never get to experience a squib.
              He had to manually eject the case so no problem with it cycling in another round.
              Been reloading since 1968. Probably had 20-30 bad primers but never a squib.

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              • #8
                emptybottle151
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 1503

                Originally posted by noylj
                If the primer had the power to move the bullet down the barrel, it had the power to ignite the powder. Did you inspect the powder for possible contamination?
                All squibs I have seen are powderless. Yours is very different.
                Maybe, But it was the 7th round I shot that day from the same batch. Wont know until I shoot the rest of that (50rnd) box. Can't imagine how it could have gotten contaminated. We'll see.
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                • #9
                  Jon Road King
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 926

                  Check the case... length, diameter, etc... it almost sounds like the round got shoved in too far and you ended up getting a light primer strike with a bullet jammed into the lands which yanked it out of the case when you ejected it...
                  "Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake."

                  --- Napoleon

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                  • #10
                    Heretodaygonetomorrow
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 582

                    Originally posted by Jon Road King
                    Check the case... length, diameter, etc... it almost sounds like the round got shoved in too far and you ended up getting a light primer strike with a bullet jammed into the lands which yanked it out of the case when you ejected it...
                    Did you mean bullet seated too far out (cartridge OAL too long)?

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                    • #11
                      noylj
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 713

                      If the bullet was stuck in the lede, then it got jammed into the rifling and the primer did not propel it into the barrel. If the bullet was at least an inch into the barrel, the primer propelled it and somehow did not ignite the powder--which would imply that there was something wrong with the powder or the charge simply could not ignite the powder before pressure dropped and "killed" the flame.

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                      • #12
                        emptybottle151
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 1503

                        The one on the left was the squib.
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                        • #13
                          emptybottle151
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 1503

                          Check the case... length, diameter, etc... it almost sounds like the round got shoved in too far and you ended up getting a light primer strike with a bullet jammed into the lands which yanked it out of the case when you ejected it
                          If the bullet was stuck in the lede, then it got jammed into the rifling and the primer did not propel it into the barrel. If the bullet was at least an inch into the barrel, the primer propelled it and somehow did not ignite the powder--which would imply that there was something wrong with the powder or the charge simply could not ignite the powder before pressure dropped and "killed" the flame.
                          Ya, the bullet was stuck half way in a 4'' barrel and pulling the slide back wasn't hard. Sorry for not taking a photo of it.
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                            Jon Road King
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 926

                            Originally posted by emptybottle151
                            Ya, the bullet was stuck half way in a 4'' barrel and pulling the slide back wasn't hard. Sorry for not taking a photo of it.
                            You mean half way down the barrel or the bullet was half in/half out of the barrel (chamber)?

                            If that bullet was stuck in the middle of the barrel, then yup, only the primer went off and no powder ignition. Plugged primer pocket maybe? Did you tumble after sizing/de-priming?

                            Best make damn sure that primer hasn't fired though... Take the empty case back to the range and try firing it (empty) again... see if it goes off
                            Last edited by Jon Road King; 01-30-2015, 2:17 PM.
                            "Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake."

                            --- Napoleon

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                            • #15
                              emptybottle151
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 1503

                              Originally posted by Jon Road King
                              You mean half way down the barrel or the bullet was half in/half out of the barrel (chamber)?

                              If that bullet was stuck in the middle of the barrel, then yup, only the primer went off and no powder ignition. Plugged primer pocket maybe? Did you tumble after sizing/de-priming?

                              Best make damn sure that primer hasn't fired though... Take the empty case back to the range and try firing it (empty) again... see if it goes off
                              Half way down the barrel. I de-prime, SS tumble, dry then reload as normal (resize, prime, flare/charge, seat and crimp)
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