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  • kdsd731
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 663

    Most important steps in creating accurate ammo?

    I am curious what the general consensus is for all you bench shooters as to what you consider the most important steps in creating accurate ammo. So maybe make a list of what things are most crucial to least crucial (Not the order in which you perform these in, but the order that makes the biggest impact on accuracy).
  • #2
    SBsasquatch
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 828

    Repeatability and consistency

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    • #3
      SWalt
      Calguns Addict
      • Jan 2012
      • 8696

      There are a number of things, I'll just throw out 1. Consistent exact charge weight.
      ^^^The above is just an opinion.

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      • #4
        milotrain
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 4301

        Consistent charge weight
        Seating depth
        Neck tension
        Neck to chamber clearance
        Case capacity consistency
        Lowest necessary primer energy
        weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
        frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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        • #5
          45R
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2005
          • 2028

          Consistent brass prep
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            SWalt
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2012
            • 8696

            Originally posted by 45R
            Consistent brass prep
            As well as brass from the same lot, manufacturer and same weight.
            ^^^The above is just an opinion.

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            "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson

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            • #7
              Cujo
              Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 223

              Saving the beer until AFTER you're done.

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              • #8
                TomReloaded
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2013
                • 1637

                For pistols at close range, only consistent charge seems to matter. For rifles, consistent and appropriate charge seem to matter most, with all the prep steps just shrinking the group even more. Sorting brass hasnt helped my groups too much.

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                • #9
                  maxx03
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 1421

                  Charge weight.
                  Bullet Weight.
                  Case Capacity.(Weight)

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                  • #10
                    waveslayer
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 1728

                    Originally posted by milotrain
                    Consistent charge weight
                    Seating depth
                    Neck tension
                    Neck to chamber clearance
                    Case capacity consistency
                    Lowest necessary primer energy
                    +1

                    Weighing cases will not improve accuracy... lots of info on that at the bench rest sites. I have done experiments on it too... no improvement

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                    • #11
                      SWalt
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 8696

                      Originally posted by waveslayer
                      +1

                      Weighing cases will not improve accuracy... lots of info on that at the bench rest sites. I have done experiments on it too... no improvement
                      If true, I would still weigh as well as keep same manufacturer/lot. Just to have every round as consistent as possible. Its just 1 more thing eliminated and not needed to be look at. Just a personal preference. Then I can put the blame for poor accuracy on the usual suspect......ME.
                      ^^^The above is just an opinion.

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                      CRPA 5 yr Member

                      "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson

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                      • #12
                        JMP
                        Internet Warrior
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 17056

                        I'd agree with what everyone has said, but that should all go without saying. One thing to not overlook is your dies as that is what dictates the form of your brass. It's hard to load accurately if you have cheapo dies from Walmart.

                        But, honestly, most folks should just get out and shoot more. The biggest flaw I see is too much time reloading and not enough time shooting. You reload in order to shoot; you do not shoot in order to reload.

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                        • #13
                          milotrain
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 4301

                          Originally posted by JMP
                          But, honestly, most folks should just get out and shoot more. The biggest flaw I see is too much time reloading and not enough time shooting.
                          This can not be overstated. Everyone want's the silver bullet to accuracy, they want "the rifle", "the ammo", "the scope" that will make them shoot accurately. There is no such thing.

                          Trigger time trumps all.
                          weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
                          frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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                          • #14
                            CK_32
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 14369

                            Consistency.
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                            • #15
                              CK_32
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 14369

                              Originally posted by milotrain
                              This can not be overstated. Everyone want's the silver bullet to accuracy, they want "the rifle", "the ammo", "the scope" that will make them shoot accurately. There is no such thing.

                              Trigger time trumps all.
                              I agree. That's why I find a decent node and go.

                              I hardly have the skill sets to find tune a quality node. No reason to try and tweak a sub MOA group to shoot .3" group, if you can't even shoot sub MOA to begin with lol
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