Key holeling or tumbling?

[getafterit]

I notice when shooting my PMC Bronze that the dirt/dust at the point of impact really flies into the air versus my XM193 rounds. The XM rounds barely disturb the dirt at all. Could this be because the PMC is tumbling when it hits the dirt bank?
just wanted to add that the PMC seems to have more kick to it than the XM rounds too.

[762cavalier]

Are you shooting at paper targets? No way to know what the bullet is doing by observing the "dust cloud" that it makes.

[Beelzy]

Papers. where are your papers?

[tankerman]

You are thinking too much.

[CSACANNONEER]

Quit shooting at dirt! If you use a paper target, you will be able to see if they are tumbling.

[getafterit]

WOW! Its unanimous...I am/was using paper at 100 yards but I could not inspect them as others were there shooting too. I did not want to ask them to close the range, and I had to pack it up. (getting late for me)
Anyway. I just thought that because the dust cloud was much larger that maybe the PMC was tumbling.

[CSACANNONEER]

Maybe the different projectiles just perform differently when they hit the dirt.

[hybridatsun350]

WOW! Its unanimous...I am/was using paper at 100 yards but I could not inspect them as others were there shooting too. I did not want to ask them to close the range, and I had to pack it up. (getting late for me)
Anyway. I just thought that because the dust cloud was much larger that maybe the PMC was tumbling.

Wait, they don't call a cease fire so you can walk down and look at your targets?

[getafterit]

Wait, they don't call a cease fire so you can walk down and look at your targets?

You mean that you would ask others to stop what they are doing so you can inspect your targets? The way I have always seen it done is range is open for a time then closed for target inspection/change. Far to much room for error when there are loaded rifles/handguns on the line.
When the range is "closed all shooters must (should) clear their weapons then rack em and then step behind the line. I am sure there are ranges that do it different but for the sake of safety that is the way it should be done.
If everyone that wanted to inspect their targets called for a cease fire at their own convienence that in my opinion would introduce a margin for error that should never be tolerated.
When you call for a cease fire do the shooters on the line just hold their weapons muzzle up and call it good?
Please dont take this the wrong way. Think of it like this. How many drivers on the road are there that should not be allowed to drive? There are also some shooters that should not be allowed to shoot, at least not without an instructor.
Anyway, I do not want to turn this into a discussion about safety/etiquette.
Just looking for a few thoughts.

[tankerman]

They are called 'line breaks'.

Most folks go to the range for more than 10 minutes, so they are there for the 'line breaks' and yes most folks do inspect their targets and pick them up before leaving.

Unless you are there only to makes sure your gun cycles, then why wouldn't you inspect your targets? How else are you supposed to know how you or your gun are shooting?

This is not meant as a putdown, but the tone of your posts has me thinking you have not been to the range or gone shooting very much or maybe ever. Once you have been around a while you'll learn how things work.

[NotSoFast]

At the range I frequent, the cease fires are usually 20 minutes apart. I can usually wait that long to be able to inspect my target if I need to.

[Beelzy]

For what its worth:

Keyholeing is the result of Bullet Tumble.

[getafterit]

I think the above was takin a bit out of context.
The operative words were " I had to pack it up" I was there about an hour give or take. I went there to sight my 30-06. I just wanted to put a few down range with my AR. By that time it was getting late so, like I said I had to pack it up and I did not want to disturb the others just so I could look at my targets.
I think that showed tact on my part, no big deal.

[getafterit]

Hey guys, I just re-read my replys to the above post. Tankerman, you are right. I was sounding kinda like an A**hole. Sorry man. I lost one of my 30 rounders when I was at the range and that really bummed me out.
Anyway, forget the excuses. Sorry if I offended anyone.

[rayra]

You mean that you would ask others to stop what they are doing so you can inspect your targets? The way I have always seen it done is range is open for a time then closed for target inspection/change. Far to much room for error when there are loaded rifles/handguns on the line.
When the range is "closed all shooters must (should) clear their weapons then rack em and then step behind the line. I am sure there are ranges that do it different but for the sake of safety that is the way it should be done.
If everyone that wanted to inspect their targets called for a cease fire at their own convienence that in my opinion would introduce a margin for error that should never be tolerated.
When you call for a cease fire do the shooters on the line just hold their weapons muzzle up and call it good?
Please dont take this the wrong way. Think of it like this. How many drivers on the road are there that should not be allowed to drive? There are also some shooters that should not be allowed to shoot, at least not without an instructor.
Anyway, I do not want to turn this into a discussion about safety/etiquette.
Just looking for a few thoughts.

It SHOULD be a discussion about safety and etiquette because apparently you and those at your range have invented an entirely new and stupid way of doing things incorrectly.
YES, periodic cease fires, with all guns grounded, unloaded, no one touching or handling firearms at all, all signifying compliance with a cease fire, so targets can be inspected, service, replaced etc. Then all shooters back to the line and a resumption of firing.
It is the was all public / regulated ranges operate.
It is very strange that you / yours do not operate this way.
Is this range a regulated range? A club sight? Or just an open unregulated area with crappy traditions?