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  • 1gunnut
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2014
    • 26

    dillon vs hornady vs rcbs

    im sure this has been asked before but I dint find what I was looking for. I have a honady lnl press and having some issues with it that are leading me to rethink and purchase a different press.

    Prob 1. primers don't always pick up ether the slide doesn't move back far enough to grab a primmer or it goes back to far and hangs on the back side or the guide rod pops out this is mainly on large pistol primers.

    Prob 2. the turret doesn't turn to the same stop point every time so you have to wiggle the handle back and forth to get everything lined up

    prob 3. when seating the round 1 out of ten will peal the side of the bullet like it wasn't seated properly but I guide it into the die with my hand. so it junks the round and into the reject bin it goes.

    so basically I load a shell insert a bullet and pull the handle half way, gied the bullet into the die wiggle the handle side to side to align the other casings and lower the handle the rest of the way, raise the handle and push forward to seat a primmer if I don't feel a primer seat I pull the primmer sled out to grab a primmer and release, then push the handle to seat the primmer, then start the same process this is slowing down my reloading to about 50 rnds per hour any help or recommendations for new press I want to be able to run through my reloading as fast as I can only loading for fun at the range so precision isn't important. of course cost is a concern would like to keep this press if possible but maybe it is just not that good for my needs

    I haven't loaded rifle in a while but didn't seam to have these issues with 308 just the pistol rounds
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  • #2
    sjd78
    Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 244

    I got tired of fiddling around with my LNL some time ago and sold it in favor of a Dillon 650. I couldn't be happier.

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    • #3
      XDRoX
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 4420

      Have you tried calling Hornady? They could probably walk you through your problems.

      I don't have an LNL so can't offer any advice, but I'm certain you can get your machine to run reliably with the right knowhow.
      Chris
      <----Rimfire Addict


      Originally posted by Oceanbob
      Get a DILLON...

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      • #4
        MrElectric03
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2010
        • 1590

        I have no useful info about the LNL either. I can tell you that you won't regret a Dillon XL650. I tried a bunch of presses before buying, RCBS, LNL AP, Dillon 550B(would have gone this route had I not had the cash for the 650), but once I tried the 650 I was sold. When I started buying caliber conversions it was getting expensive, but it's awesome to go right from one caliber to the next in 5 minutes.
        Originally posted by ar15barrels
        So you are throwing out 95% of reality to select the 5% of reality where you are actually right?
        We must be on calguns...

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        • #5
          CSACANNONEER
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Dec 2006
          • 44094

          Originally posted by MrElectric03
          I have no useful info about the LNL either. I can tell you that you won't regret a Dillon XL650. I tried a bunch of presses before buying, RCBS, LNL AP, Dillon 550B(would have gone this route had I not had the cash for the 650), but once I tried the 650 I was sold. When I started buying caliber conversions it was getting expensive, but it's awesome to go right from one caliber to the next in 5 minutes.
          I ended up parting with my 650 and opting to keep my 550. The 550 is simply a more versatile machine with more (and less expensive) caliber conversions available for it. It is quicker and easier to change from one cartridge to the next too.
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          • #6
            ArmedCMT
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2012
            • 2036

            Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
            I ended up parting with my 650 and opting to keep my 550. The 550 is simply a more versatile machine with more (and less expensive) caliber conversions available for it. It is quicker and easier to change from one cartridge to the next too.

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            • #7
              CSACANNONEER
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Dec 2006
              • 44094

              Originally posted by ArmedCMT

              It's hot enough for me to drink the blue cool aid today. Of course, it's hot enough for me to drink all the red and green cool aid too.
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              • #8
                PSLguy
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2014
                • 817

                Don't forget the rum. Makes it taste better.

                Dillon 550 owner here and love mine. Caliber conversions are fast and easy and everything remains set where you left it.

                Having said that any press can give you fits if something is misaligned or nerds adjustment. You might give manufacturer a call to see if they can help. If you opt to switch Dillon is hard to beat.

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                • #9
                  BajaJames83
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 6037

                  Originally posted by ArmedCMT

                  OHHHHHH YEAH MR Coolaid
                  have a 550 and 1050 love em both 1050 has primer issues but its still worth it
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                  • #10
                    Bigtls1
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 579

                    I'm sure you could get your LNL to where you're happy by contacting Hornady.

                    I have a 650. But as always, IB all the Dillon haters. Remember, we all spent too much money on our presses!

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                    • #11
                      Carcassonne
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 4897

                      Originally posted by 1gunnut
                      im sure this has been asked before but I dint find what I was looking for. I have a honady lnl press and having some issues with it that are leading me to rethink and purchase a different press.

                      Prob 1. primers don't always pick up ether the slide doesn't move back far enough to grab a primmer or it goes back to far and hangs on the back side or the guide rod pops out this is mainly on large pistol primers.

                      Prob 2. the turret doesn't turn to the same stop point every time so you have to wiggle the handle back and forth to get everything lined up

                      prob 3. when seating the round 1 out of ten will peal the side of the bullet like it wasn't seated properly but I guide it into the die with my hand. so it junks the round and into the reject bin it goes.

                      so basically I load a shell insert a bullet and pull the handle half way, gied the bullet into the die wiggle the handle side to side to align the other casings and lower the handle the rest of the way, raise the handle and push forward to seat a primmer if I don't feel a primer seat I pull the primmer sled out to grab a primmer and release, then push the handle to seat the primmer, then start the same process this is slowing down my reloading to about 50 rnds per hour any help or recommendations for new press I want to be able to run through my reloading as fast as I can only loading for fun at the range so precision isn't important. of course cost is a concern would like to keep this press if possible but maybe it is just not that good for my needs

                      I haven't loaded rifle in a while but didn't seam to have these issues with 308 just the pistol rounds
                      My LNL is very old, so this advice may not apply to yours if it is newer. They upgraded things.

                      1) That is usually caused by the primer seating assembly coming loose and jamming the transfer plate. If your assembly is held in place by a knurled screw, you need to replace it with a 1/4x28 thin nut and tighten it with a wrench. The base of the primer drop tube may be dirty. Remove the complete primer tube assembly, transfer plate, and shell plate and clean everything off. Lube it with moly or graphite powder.
                      With the inner primer tube removed and the ram all the way up, shine a light down the primer tube and see if the tube opening is centered over the primer transfer plate hole opening.

                      2) I had to take everything apart, clean it, and re-adjust the pawls. Mine indexes perfectly now. I know you shouldn't have to do this if yours is new.

                      3) You need to set the expander lower so the mouth of the brass is flared more. If you are using mixed brass, you need to set the expander to the shortest piece. You should also chamfer the mouth of the brass (by hand) if you don't mind taking extra time.



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                      • #12
                        XDRoX
                        Veteran Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 4420

                        Originally posted by BajaJames83
                        OHHHHHH YEAH MR Coolaid
                        have a 550 and 1050 love em both 1050 has primer issues but its still worth it
                        IMO a 550 and a 1050 is the ultimate setup. 1050 for 9mm and 223, and the 550 for everything else.

                        And I do believe this is a record for this forum. I can't believe all these posts without the Dillon haters yet.
                        Chris
                        <----Rimfire Addict


                        Originally posted by Oceanbob
                        Get a DILLON...

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                        • #13
                          Carcassonne
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 4897

                          Originally posted by Bigtls1
                          I'm sure you could get your LNL to where you're happy by contacting Hornady.

                          I have a 650. But as always, IB all the Dillon haters. Remember, we all spent too much money on our presses!

                          Not everyone can afford a 650. Dillion also sells solid carbide rifle dies. They may be better, but many people can't afford the extra money over steel dies.





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                          .
                          Be sure to ask your doctor if depression, rectal bleeding, and suicide are right for you.

                          In the United States a person's expertise on a subject is inversely proportional to their knowledge of the subject: The less they know about something, the more they become an expert on it.

                          I am being held hostage in a giant insane asylum called Earth.

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                          • #14
                            shooting4life
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 5768

                            Originally posted by Carcassonne
                            My LNL is very old, so this advice may not apply to yours if it is newer. They upgraded things.

                            1) That is usually caused by the primer seating assembly coming loose and jamming the transfer plate. If your assembly is held in place by a knurled screw, you need to replace it with a 1/4x28 thin nut and tighten it with a wrench. The base of the primer drop tube may be dirty. Remove the complete primer tube assembly, transfer plate, and shell plate and clean everything off. Lube it with moly or graphite powder.
                            With the inner primer tube removed and the ram all the way up, shine a light down the primer tube and see if the tube opening is centered over the primer transfer plate hole opening.

                            2) I had to take everything apart, clean it, and re-adjust the pawls. Mine indexes perfectly now. I know you shouldn't have to do this if yours is new.

                            3) You need to set the expander lower so the mouth of the brass is flared more. If you are using mixed brass, you need to set the expander to the shortest piece. You should also chamfer the mouth of the brass (by hand) if you don't mind taking extra time.



                            .
                            Pretty much this. Deburr and polish the primer slide. It is also worthwhile to get a brass rod to use as a follower for the primers. It feeds better with the extra weight on the primers, plus you can add a mark so you know you are at a certain primer level.

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                            • #15
                              MrElectric03
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 1590

                              Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                              I ended up parting with my 650 and opting to keep my 550. The 550 is simply a more versatile machine with more (and less expensive) caliber conversions available for it. It is quicker and easier to change from one cartridge to the next too.
                              Can't argue with you there, I'd still like to pickup a 550 if I had the cash and found one at the right price. Of course I never thought I'd need another press besides my 650 and rockchucker but I don't think I could have imagined enjoying reloading as much as I do. It almost as fun as shooting for me!

                              Originally posted by Carcassonne
                              Not everyone can afford a 650. Dillion also sells solid carbide rifle dies. They may be better, but many people can't afford the extra money over steel dies..
                              The make them in 223 and I believe .308, really no reason for them unless you load thousands of rounds a day, and you still need to lube the cases.
                              Originally posted by ar15barrels
                              So you are throwing out 95% of reality to select the 5% of reality where you are actually right?
                              We must be on calguns...

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