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  • Frozenguy
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Jan 2008
    • 6303

    Throwing powder now :)

    I've made seven dummy 45 acp rounds now and they function beautifully in my xd45 tactical.
    COAL ~ 1.255
    Crimp ~ 0.470

    Going to start throwing powder now. I'm using IMR SR-4756

    Out of the five manuals I have and hodgdon online, the lowest charge for 230 gr jacketed round nose is 6.0 gr from Lyman.
    Lee starts at 6.4 and both Lyman and lee end at 7 gr. hornady goes 6.5-7.6 gr.

    So I'll start at 6 gr. should I load up some to 6.3 gr also or just see how 6 gr shoots first.
    Last edited by Frozenguy; 01-24-2014, 6:57 PM.
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    tylenol9999
    Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 393

    That's exactly what I did, I loaded them in .1 gr increments. In addition I made distinctive marks on the bottom of the cases, this allowed me to identify brass at the range and check for pressure signs.
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    • #3
      Frozenguy
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Jan 2008
      • 6303

      Ok I would do .1 gr increment if I could.

      I threw maybe 70 charges adjusting and confirming 6.0 gr but I sometimes got 5.9 or 6.2. I get 6.0 maybe half the time.

      So I went forward and made 30 rounds so far. I weighed each charge as I went and there were some 6.1 and 6.2. I guess I could have tossed those Aside. Dammit lol.

      But I'm not concerned about this batch.

      I'll start a new batch and mark those charged with 6.2, 6.1, or 6.0 and separate them.

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      • #4
        XVIga_Rob
        Senior Member
        • May 2012
        • 2354

        I just loaded up a couple test ladders of .45ACP.

        Berry's 230gr, with Unique. Per the Lyman manual, I loaded 5 rounds each, starting at 5.9gr and increasing by .1gr, up to 6.6gr. OAL = 1.272

        1 ladder for me and 1 for my brother's .45. We'll be at the range soon, to find the load that works best, in each of our pistols

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        • #5
          Frozenguy
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Jan 2008
          • 6303

          Originally posted by XVIga_Rob
          I just loaded up a couple test ladders of .45ACP.

          Berry's 230gr, with Unique. Per the Lyman manual, I loaded 5 rounds each, starting at 5.9gr and increasing by .1gr, up to 6.6gr. OAL = 1.272

          1 ladder for me and 1 for my brother's .45. We'll be at the range soon, to find the load that works best, in each of our pistols
          What equipment are you using to throw and measure your charges? Does your powder measure throw that consistent or are you custom adding/subtracting to each case?

          Do people accept a +/- 0.2 gr variance for plinking ammo? What about for basic fun target shooting?

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          • #6
            XVIga_Rob
            Senior Member
            • May 2012
            • 2354

            Get a powder trickler. Set your powder measure to starting point (6gr, etc.), throw the charge and trickle up, to your desired weight.

            Load in groups of 5 or what ever your mag holds. Mark the bases of the brass with colored sharpie's so you will know which rounds are what charge. Shoot 1 mag of each at a new target (from a rest if possible). Find the one that performs best for YOUR gun.

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            • #7
              XVIga_Rob
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 2354

              I look for a load that cycles (chambers & ejects) through my pistol correctly, has the least amount of flash, and best group size.

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              • #8
                Frozenguy
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
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                • Jan 2008
                • 6303

                Well I'm working on a progressive so I'd like to go about it without a trickler. Although I'll probably get one when I start reloading my 30-06

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                • #9
                  XVIga_Rob
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 2354

                  I did this with my 9mm and found a pretty sweet load.

                  Berry's 115gr with 4.9gr of Unique. Cycles through the pistol great, not much flash, and 5-shot group of 1" x .75" at 12yds.

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                  • #10
                    XVIga_Rob
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 2354

                    Originally posted by Frozenguy
                    Well I'm working on a progressive so I'd like to go about it without a trickler. Although I'll probably get one when I start reloading my 30-06
                    I would probably pick somthing in the middle of the range. You could always load a small batch a little under and another a little over, see what you like.

                    Good Luck!

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                    • #11
                      chknlyps2
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 2191

                      Originally posted by Frozenguy
                      Ok I would do .1 gr increment if I could.

                      I threw maybe 70 charges adjusting and confirming 6.0 gr but I sometimes got 5.9 or 6.2. I get 6.0 maybe half the time.

                      So I went forward and made 30 rounds so far. I weighed each charge as I went and there were some 6.1 and 6.2. I guess I could have tossed those Aside. Dammit lol.

                      But I'm not concerned about this batch.

                      I'll start a new batch and mark those charged with 6.2, 6.1, or 6.0 and separate them.
                      Don't load to many at the start load, they may not cycle your gun.
                      Wanted: Spent Berdan primed Yugo 7.62x39 & 7.5x55 GP11 Swiss brass

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                      • #12
                        milotrain
                        Veteran Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 4301

                        Which progressive? When I'm doing a ladder series I throw the low charge on the progressive, yank the case out dump it in the scale pan, trickle up, dump into the case, slap back in the press and index. That's on a 550 though, and it's still faster than throwing in the pan and filling a loading block with weighed rounds.
                        weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
                        frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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                        • #13
                          Frozenguy
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 6303

                          Originally posted by milotrain
                          Which progressive? When I'm doing a ladder series I throw the low charge on the progressive, yank the case out dump it in the scale pan, trickle up, dump into the case, slap back in the press and index. That's on a 550 though, and it's still faster than throwing in the pan and filling a loading block with weighed rounds.
                          XL 650. I found this


                          Basically says to operate it smoothly and make sure your bench is solid.

                          I try and operate the handle smoothly but I am pushing cases into dies. There are moments of resistance and other moments not. I try and keep it smooth.

                          My bench is really heavy and I mounted it well in addition to a strong mount but I could maybe bolt the bench to the wall.

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                          • #14
                            Frozenguy
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
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                            • Jan 2008
                            • 6303

                            Originally posted by chknlyps2
                            Don't load to many at the start load, they may not cycle your gun.
                            A 6.0 gr charge may not cycle the gun? I thought at worst it would be a dirty inaccurate load. Ok I would have done less then. Oh well that's what a bullet puller is for

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                            • #15
                              chknlyps2
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 2191

                              Originally posted by Frozenguy
                              A 6.0 gr charge may not cycle the gun? I thought at worst it would be a dirty inaccurate load. Ok I would have done less then. Oh well that's what a bullet puller is for
                              It may work just fine too, I have a 9mm that does not cycle with a minimum load of Unique under a 115 grain cast bullet and have heard others say the same about other guns.
                              Wanted: Spent Berdan primed Yugo 7.62x39 & 7.5x55 GP11 Swiss brass

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