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  • BigJ
    Veteran Member
    • May 2010
    • 3172

    Total newb question: undersized brass?

    Regarding .223:

    Lets say I've figured out a load I'm happy with. Lets say that load shoots 2MOA out a particular rifle, with brass in length anywhere from 1.75 to 1.755".

    Now lets say I come by a batch of LC surplus once fired brass. Spot checking it tells me its well under sized; lets keep it simple and say it checks in at 1.735".

    Here's my question: should I reset my seating die to ensure my bullet is seating at the same depth within the case, with the shorter brass? Or, instead, am I good to go to leave things as they are since its the overall length of the completed cartridge that matters more; where the bullet sits (in this example) just wont matter enough to worry about (aka it will still shoot 2MOA with the shorter brass)?

    Thanks guys
    Last edited by BigJ; 01-23-2014, 2:38 PM.
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    joelogic
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2008
    • 6593

    Its length is shorter, its not undersized.

    Any change affects your load. Crimp consistency will change. However 0.02 is hardly anything. YMMV. Use Caution. BLAH BLAH BLAH.

    This is the reason I trim to 1.735" because it is typically the shortest of any fired .223 brass.
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    • #3
      BigJ
      Veteran Member
      • May 2010
      • 3172

      Shorter, not undersized. 10-4.

      Trimming everything to 1.735" then formulating the load just makes darn good sense. Hadn't thought of that.
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      • #4
        mark501w
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 1699

        Oal is unaffected by case length.

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        • #5
          BigJ
          Veteran Member
          • May 2010
          • 3172

          Originally posted by mark501w
          Oal is unaffected by case length.
          Agreed. But where the bullet sits in the case (and therefore where the crimp on the bullet), is. No?
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          • #6
            milotrain
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 4301

            No, just length of case neck engagement. The bullet is seated based on a distance from the shell plate to the seater die stem, it doesn't care about the case at all. I know a guy who shoots brass that is cut super short, shoots just fine.
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            • #7
              mark501w
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 1699

              Yup I don't crimp box magazine ammo I crimp tube mag ammo.

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              • #8
                Witch Hunter
                Member
                • Oct 2013
                • 174

                Unless you crimp into a cannelure, there should not be any problem. For accuracy, who knows? There is a small amount of neck tension difference by having less bullet in the neck. In a 2 MOA rifle, it might not be perceptible.

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