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  • xs2k
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 829

    Difference between 9mm ammo?

    I went to the store to pick up some 9mm ammo today and I asked the clerk for some 9mm. She responded, "which 9mm type do I need, a 9mm luger or 9mm Parabellum?"

    I was under the impression that all 9mm including: 9X19mm, 9mm luger, and 9mm parabellum were the same round? Different manufactures call them differently? Is there any difference between the round?
  • #2
    csmintel
    Banned
    • Jun 2008
    • 873

    9mm in europe is usa.380. there is :
    9X18
    9X21
    9X23

    hey there is even 9X39!

    what's your chamber? ( what's on the side of your firearm?)

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    • #3
      xs2k
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 829

      Originally posted by csmintel
      9mm in europe is usa.380. there is :
      9X18
      9X21
      9X23

      hey there is even 9X39!

      what's your chamber? ( what's on the side of your firearm?)
      It's a SIG P225 chambered for 9mm.

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      • #4
        csmintel
        Banned
        • Jun 2008
        • 873

        9 luger, parabellum and 9X19 are synonyms for the same 9milimiter round. The most common in USA.
        The clerk just didn't know. It reminds me when i asked cute blond at cow palace gun show ( she was behind the biggest ammo vendor of the show ). I asked her about the core of the bullet and she just smiled and looked for a man employee to answer that. Neddles to say i was looking for a male clerk simultaniously.
        Last edited by csmintel; 07-14-2008, 1:04 AM.

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        • #5
          xs2k
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 829

          Originally posted by csmintel
          9 luger, parabellum and 9X19 are synonyms for the same 9milimiter round. The most common in USA.
          The clerk just didn't know. It reminds me when i asked cute blond at cow palace gun show ( she was behind the biggest ammo vendor of the show ). I asked her about the core of the bullet and she just smiled and looked for a man employee to answer that. Neddles to say i was looking for a male clerk simultaniously.
          Thanks for the clarification.

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          • #6
            slick_711
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2006
            • 4400

            Originally posted by csmintel
            9mm in europe is usa.380.
            9MM in Europe is 9MM in the US. 9MM Kurtz in Europe is .380 ACP in the US.

            9x19, 9MM NATO, 9MM Luger, 9MM Parabellum are all the same round, just labeled differently by different manufacturers for who knows what reason (marketing in some cases; regional differences). Your Sig will consume and spit forth any such rounds.


            What won't work for you (as if you needed to know):

            9x17 (9MM Kurtz / .380 ACP) will not work in your Sig.

            9x18(9MM Makarov) will also not work (at least not reliably or safely).

            Those two are actually good to know, incase you come across an incompetent clerk.

            9MM Major will not work.

            That one is important to know, as it will fit into your magazines, it will fit into your chamber, and then it will blow up your barrel. However it is almost strictly a reloaded competition cartridge, so you'll likely never encounter it. Just don't pick up ammo @ gun shows / competitions without being sure what it is.

            9x21 (9MM IMI / 9MM Largo), 9x23, and 9x39 also will not work. These won't fit in your gun anyway (lol @ 9x39).

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            • #7
              J-cat
              Calguns Addict
              • May 2005
              • 6626

              I like the 9x51 myself.

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              • #8
                MikeH1
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2007
                • 1045

                the original name of the cartridge is 9 mm Parabellum, as the Parabellum Pistole (or P08) is the name of the gun designed by G. Luger and made by DWM and Mauser.

                found a pic with case dimensions...

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                • #9
                  MikeH1
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 1045

                  Originally posted by csmintel
                  9mm in europe is usa.380. there is :
                  9X18
                  9X21
                  9X23
                  the .380 ACP is also known as a 9x17 Browning or Short

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                  • #10
                    ar15barrels
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                    • Jan 2006
                    • 57198

                    Originally posted by xs2k
                    I went to the store to pick up some 9mm ammo today and I asked the clerk for some 9mm. She responded, "which 9mm type do I need, a 9mm luger or 9mm Parabellum?"
                    Next time, tell her "either will be just fine" and see what she says to you.
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                    • #11
                      Moonclip
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 4390

                      There is 9x25 also, a wildcat built on a necked down 10mm. I have a lot of weird 9mm chambered firearms like 9mm Largo aka 9mm Bergmann.

                      .380acp has like a million names, 9mmshort, 9mmcorto,9mmkurz,9x17...

                      I once saw empty brass Fiocchi marked 9mm1934.

                      The Beretta 1934 .380acp pistol is very common in Italy.
                      .22short .22lr .22mag .25acp .32acp .32H&Rmag,.35rem .30carbine
                      7.62x25Tok 7.62x38r .380acp .38S&W .38spl 9x18Mak 9mmPara .35rem
                      9mmLargo .38super .357mag .40S&W 10mm .41mag .44spl .44mag
                      .45acp .45LC 6.5Carcano 7.7Japanese 7.62x54r 6.5Swede,6.5x54r
                      .30-40Krag 7.5French 8x57Mauser .223Rem 7.62x39 .410bore .30-30
                      20ga 12ga .303British 8x56r 7.5x55Swiss .30-06...

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                      • #12
                        csmintel
                        Banned
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 873

                        Originally posted by slick_711
                        9MM in Europe is 9MM in the US. 9MM Kurtz in Europe is .380 ACP in the US.

                        9mm in Europe is .380 in US


                        9x21 (9MM IMI / 9MM Largo), 9x23, and 9x39 also will not work. These won't fit in your gun anyway (lol @ 9x39).[/QUOTE]

                        No kidding...duh slick
                        Last edited by csmintel; 07-15-2008, 2:50 AM.

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                        • #13
                          pTa
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2008
                          • 1045

                          Originally posted by csmintel
                          9mm in Europe is .380 in US
                          rere?
                          9mm in Europe can mean any number of rounds. 9mmK is Corto is Kurtz is 9mmx17 and when you bring it over to America it magically becomes the .380ACP.
                          As a matter of fact it won't even chamber in a 9x19, 9mm Parabellum or 9mm Luger pistole.
                          Anyone else notice how ze Germanz are so over their past that they NEVER put Parabellum (Prepare for WAR) or Luger on any of their modern offerings? It's HK 9x19, SIG 9x19, Walther 9x19.
                          sigpic

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                          • #14
                            tunder
                            Member
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 267

                            Here you go, this will either clear it all up or thoroughly muddy muddy it up as far as 9mm goes.




                            9mm data is in the third section
                            Last edited by tunder; 07-15-2008, 9:47 AM.
                            "Where the Hell do you put the bayonet?"- Chesty Puller, on first seeing a flamethrower

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                            • #15
                              Moonclip
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 4390

                              Don't forget 9mm Ultra, kind of like a 9x18 Makarov but with a .355 diameter as opposed to .363
                              .22short .22lr .22mag .25acp .32acp .32H&Rmag,.35rem .30carbine
                              7.62x25Tok 7.62x38r .380acp .38S&W .38spl 9x18Mak 9mmPara .35rem
                              9mmLargo .38super .357mag .40S&W 10mm .41mag .44spl .44mag
                              .45acp .45LC 6.5Carcano 7.7Japanese 7.62x54r 6.5Swede,6.5x54r
                              .30-40Krag 7.5French 8x57Mauser .223Rem 7.62x39 .410bore .30-30
                              20ga 12ga .303British 8x56r 7.5x55Swiss .30-06...

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