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  • Zamble
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 2354

    Machine gun brass

    Does brass that was fired with an automatic weapon have a short reload life?
  • #2
    mrkubota
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 1372

    depends on the type of machine gun (or semi-auto) used and how well it was headspaced when fired, but generally, it'll be more stressed than brass from a bolt gun.

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    • #3
      bohoki
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2006
      • 20825

      you can generally tell by how much you have to trim

      if its 308 and you are leaving a pile of shavings that would make a gold paner dance you can figure them bodies are getting thin

      with 223 same thing but you need to pay better attention cause them little necks all seem to shed the same so do the flick test or bent wire test or just take your chances and retire them when the primers go in too easy

      generally the belt feds are the ones you have to look out for

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      • #4
        Zamble
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2011
        • 2354

        I saw them at gibrass.com. I am assuming they were belt fed, 7.62x51.

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        • #5
          mrkubota
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2005
          • 1372

          you can get virgin demilled .308 from hi-techammo.com

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          • #6
            cpatbay
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 1631

            LC brass are thicker. So they should last just as long as commercial brass even though they are fired from machine gun. But I have no real world data to back this claim up.
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            • #7
              Zarrinvz24
              Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 237

              LC brass is much better. First resize is going to take some "manpower" but after that they are like any other brass. Are you planning on using the same lot of brass in multiple firearms? Or can you dedicate casings to a specific rifle? Those questions/answers will have a major factor on your expected brass life.

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              • #8
                bohoki
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2006
                • 20825

                also sometimes there is extractor pull marks on the rims

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                • #9
                  tiller
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 794

                  Originally posted by Zarrinvz24
                  LC brass is much better. First resize is going to take some "manpower" but after that they are like any other brass. Are you planning on using the same lot of brass in multiple firearms? Or can you dedicate casings to a specific rifle? Those questions/answers will have a major factor on your expected brass life.
                  Man power doesnt help... They swell soo much that it creates a ring around the body and wont chamber into anything
                  .223 & .308 brass processing

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                  • #10
                    cpatbay
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 1631

                    Originally posted by tiller
                    Man power doesnt help... They swell soo much that it creates a ring around the body and wont chamber into anything
                    I used a bunch (>1000) of machine gun fired LC brass. With proper resizing, they all chambered fine for my LMT MWS like a charm.
                    NRA Lifer

                    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason
                    for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort,
                    to protect themselves against tyranny in government - Thomas Jefferson


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                    • #11
                      Zamble
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 2354

                      I am looking for some for one rifle, my new M1A. I just want to make sure before I commit. A purchase of 500, and I want to make sure I don't get like one or two from it.

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                      • #12
                        tiller
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 794

                        Originally posted by cpatbay
                        I used a bunch (>1000) of machine gun fired LC brass. With proper resizing, they all chambered fine for my LMT MWS like a charm.
                        Then they were not machine gun fired....
                        .223 & .308 brass processing

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                        • #13
                          milotrain
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 4301

                          Originally posted by tiller
                          Man power doesnt help... They swell soo much that it creates a ring around the body and wont chamber into anything
                          You process brass so I'll bet you've done more than me, but in my experience LC brass even saw fired (had link marks on the casing) took to my Dillon die just fine. Occasionally I do have a problem where I can't get a piece of brass to fit my gauge even after sizing, but it's the exception rather than the rule for my batch.
                          weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
                          frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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                          • #14
                            tiller
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2011
                            • 794

                            Originally posted by milotrain
                            You process brass so I'll bet you've done more than me, but in my experience LC brass even saw fired (had link marks on the casing) took to my Dillon die just fine. Occasionally I do have a problem where I can't get a piece of brass to fit my gauge even after sizing, but it's the exception rather than the rule for my batch.
                            I get a lot of brass that has a bulge from being fired from a machine gun...

                            It gets the bulge from being pulled from the chamber before pressure has reached max.. Therefore it bulges out... While doing That it stretches soo much that when the die goes to squeeze the body it pushes all the extra slop in the brass down towards the head and creates a ring...

                            I use dillon carbide dies.... Happens in both 223 and 308.


                            I will have to take a picture of all the screwed up things I see with brass... It would be a good thing to see for the new guys
                            .223 & .308 brass processing

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                            • #15
                              Zarrinvz24
                              Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 237

                              Originally posted by tiller
                              I get a lot of brass that has a bulge from being fired from a machine gun...

                              It gets the bulge from being pulled from the chamber before pressure has reached max.. Therefore it bulges out... While doing That it stretches soo much that when the die goes to squeeze the body it pushes all the extra slop in the brass down towards the head and creates a ring...

                              I use dillon carbide dies.... Happens in both 223 and 308.


                              I will have to take a picture of all the screwed up things I see with brass... It would be a good thing to see for the new guys
                              I wonder if perhaps you were processing brass that was used in a GAU-17, although I don't commerically process brass I've not seen that in ~ 5K 7.62x51 LC brass. HS were between 68-08 and I believe it to have been fired in M60 & M240.

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