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  • gemini1
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 2230

    Bullets seats easily than others

    So I was loading 55 FMJs for my next load test. On some of the casings, I could feel the bullets gets seated in a little too too easy/smoothly than the others, kinda like it hardly needs any pressure as I pull the lever down.

    Brass are all the same (LC08), should I crimp it?
  • #2
    ExtremeX
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2010
    • 7160

    What are you loading for, and what type of dies are you using? Neck size, bushings, FL with expander ball??

    Crimping isn’t a solution for issues with neck tension… have you measured neck tension to see if they are consistent?

    If they are, it could be the chamfer / deburring… I found that also changes how a bullet feels when being seated.
    ExtremeX

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    • #3
      gemini1
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 2230

      Its a Lee FL sizing die. Bullets are 55 fmj from Extreme. I'm just trying to find the sweet spot for this bullet weight with Benchmark.
      Never had this issue on my previous batch of 62 gr Everglades and some 55 gr fmj Hornady.

      edit: I think I found the issue. I just measured some of the bullets and found some that measures .223-223/5"
      So I guess I better crimp the batch I just loaded to be safe? My only concern is, if on these loads I find a sweet spot, then I would have to crimp the succeeding batch as well?

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      • #4
        CK_32
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Sep 2010
        • 14369

        I had the same thing when I was loading my Remington 55grers.


        I read up on it and its caused because the case didn't fully go through the FL die (assuming your shooting from a autogun)

        All I was was add a slightly bigger crimp and they sat fine. I also read that if you didn't run them through the FL die again you would have major feeding issues.

        Put them through yesterday and didn't have a single issue with any of the rounds that didn't seat and I just crimped. No issues or problems feeding. I'm sure some here will disagree and I'm not saying its the way to go but sometimes what the book says or the interwebs isn't what actually happens.


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        • #5
          ExtremeX
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2010
          • 7160

          Assuming his calipers are reading true… .223 .2235 would indicate the bullets are slightly undersized.

          All my projectiles measure out .224
          ExtremeX

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          • #6
            Bumslie
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            • Oct 2011
            • 5358

            Is your die set the pace setter one? I've run into multiple sets where the expander ball was too large. I sanded the expander ball down before buying another set.
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            • #7
              jj805
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              • Feb 2012
              • 4492

              Originally posted by Bumslie
              Is your die set the pace setter one? I've run into multiple sets where the expander ball was too large. I sanded the expander ball down before buying another set.
              This^ Measure the expander ball. If it is too big, sand it down a thousandth or two.

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              • #8
                gemini1
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 2230

                I dont think its the die expander ball. As I've mentioned earlier, my previous loads (Everglades 62 gr & Hornady 55s) didn't have any issues.

                I measured the rest of my projos for next loading session, I did find several more that were undersized (.223/5).

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                • #9
                  Bumslie
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 5358

                  Originally posted by gemini1
                  I dont think its the die expander ball. As I've mentioned earlier, my previous loads (Everglades 62 gr & Hornady 55s) didn't have any issues.

                  I measured the rest of my projos for next loading session, I did find several more that were undersized (.223/5).
                  Hmm intersting. I'll have to spot check if I buy any of the Xtreme projectiles.
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                  • #10
                    bohoki
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                    • Jan 2006
                    • 20818

                    are they the same headstamp ?
                    no hairline neck splits

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                    • #11
                      Whiterabbit
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 7587

                      sort by pressure to seat. when you go shooting, see if there is a POI shift. You might find nothing. Or, you might find the neck tension affects velocity uniformity and poi.

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                      • #12
                        gemini1
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 2230

                        Originally posted by bohoki
                        are they the same headstamp ?
                        no hairline neck splits
                        Yes, all LC 08, FL sized and trimmed to 1750" chamfered/deburred and checked for any signs of fatigue.

                        sort by pressure to seat. when you go shooting, see if there is a POI shift. You might find nothing. Or, you might find the neck tension affects velocity uniformity and poi.
                        Not sure if I can still see any difference since I've crimped all of it.

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                        • #13
                          sofbak
                          Veteran Member
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 2628

                          Here's another reloader who was having similar problems with undersized xtreme projectiles (see post #8):

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                          • #14
                            BLR81
                            Member
                            • May 2012
                            • 347

                            Originally posted by gemini1
                            Yes, all LC 08, FL sized and trimmed to 1750" chamfered/deburred and checked for any signs of fatigue.



                            Not sure if I can still see any difference since I've crimped all of it.
                            You haven't mentioned the mouth diameter after sizing. It should be around .0015-.002" smaller than after the bullet is seated. If the resized case mouths are too wide, you may be having spring-back issues because the cases have hardened from previous resizing.

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