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  • Enfield47
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2012
    • 6385

    I did the dumbest thing...

    Yesterday I was reloading some .223 rounds on my Lee classic turret press and charging them with the Lee pro auto disk and rifle charging die. Since I am still a newb I have been reloading my .223 in single stage mode by removing the indexing rod. I have been charging the cases, placing them in a holding tray, then when the tray is full, seating the bullets. I have been doing this and weighing the powder charge every few rounds, everything has been going well using this method.

    I completed about 70 rounds then I figured it was time to use the turret by manually rotating between the powder charging die and seating die. In hind sight, I should have put in the indexing rod but I figured I would just manually index the turret between the charging and seating dies. I did 13 rounds and everything was going fine, then on the 14th round after dropping the powder charge I forgot to rotate the turret to the seating die. I placed the bullet on the case and as I pulled down the handle, my mind said no, no, no but my right hand kept saying yes, yes, yes. Well the bullet lodged in the powder die and a powder charge was dropped right on top of it.

    I had to disconnect the powder measure, the riser, then the charging die with powder spilling everywhere. What a mess. Because of the way the powder measure works, it loaded a second charge in the disks so even though I removed the dispenser the second charge was already loaded. Oh joy, more powder to deal with! I was able to gently move it over to the powder jug and dump it in without to much spillage. I had to dump the contents of the powder charing die out and was able to save most of it. Then I had to disassemble the die to get the bullet out and powder then stuck to the little bit of lube on the threads holding it together. Once I got the bullet out I had to clean up the mess I had made. There were tiny grains of powder all over the press, the table top and on the floor. After trying to brush it up I finally just grabbed the vacuum cleaner to suck up the spilt powder.

    I guess moral of the story is if using the turret press, use it as a single stage or use it with the indexing rod. And if anyone ever wondered, yes a .224 bullet will fit quite nicely inside the powder charging die.
  • #2
    J-cat
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2005
    • 6626

    Serves u right for using a progressive devil machine.

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    • #3
      knucklehead0202
      Veteran Member
      • Aug 2008
      • 4086

      lol, nice one! at least you've learned a valuable lesson and hopefully this will be useful info for others as well. I load on a single stage and always drop powder in every case in my loading block first. a few times I've forgetten to move the funnel and tried to double-charge a case. thankfully there's no way to do it with what I reload but i'm left with a case and funnel with a crapton of powder in them. no matter what it makes a mess, lol. you are not alone. on the bright side, nothing and nobody gets hurt, it's just frustrating, then funny after the fact.

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      • #4
        Bastard
        • Jul 2009
        • 2209

        I have done dumber...

        wait till you drop the bottle of powder.

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        • #5
          rcschummers
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 1249

          "My mind said no no no but my hand said yes yes yes" had me laughing pretty good. Thats a cheap mistake, just wait something really expensive and stoopid will eventually happen.
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          • #6
            CK_32
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Sep 2010
            • 14369

            Originally posted by J-cat
            Serves u right for using a progressive devil machine.
            Haha that made my morning
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            • #7
              BruinGuy
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 1456

              At least it was a semi-complicated procedure. I brain-farted once and swung the lever down on my powder drop to make an adjustment without anything underneath to catch the powder. 43 grains straight to the carpet.
              Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
              Keep in mind that you don't have a clue.

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              • #8
                Raralith
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2007
                • 551

                I'd be very careful when using the Lee Turret in index method, especially if you are using near maximum charges. Every time that the turret indexes, it causes a bit more powder to get into the nooks, crannies, and crevices of the auto disk, much more so than the CC to powder volume ratio you would have planned for. For example, single stage mode at 1.3cc would give you 24 grains in single stage mode. Start indexing and that same 1.3cc will give you 24.5 grains. Think of it as doing a powder drop vs. grabbing the auto disk and jiggling it around then doing a powder drop; much more powder. Test it out by running in single stage, weigh the powder, and do the same for indexing. Pistol isn't as much of a problem, but rifle could be, especially if your main focus is getting a consistent powder measure for precision (and accurate) shooting.

                Personally, I only single stage my rifle loads like 223 and 308.

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                • #9
                  DSMeyer
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jun 2013
                  • 2689

                  Oh grasshopper you'll have more experiences. If you have a lot running upstairs, reloading should be put on the back burner. I was loading up a block of 50 hunting rounds with H4350. Got them all loaded up fine. Put all of the 4350 powder and related components away and grabbed the H4831sc powder and bullets for the 300 mag. Looked at the load data figured out what my initial load ladder was going to be, only problem was that I was staring at the H4350 line instead of the 4831 line. Mind kept saying 4831 but finger kept indexing 4350 load data. D'OH! Loaded up 50 rounds with the wrong data. 50000 whacks with the bullet hammer and a lot of cursing at ones self, then putting two sheets of paper over the load data and only allowing the correct one to show, I got it loaded.
                  I laugh now, but I was really miffed at pissing away a good portion of the day doing a redo.
                  We'll just give them the 'ol number 6.

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                  • #10
                    Enfield47
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 6385

                    Raralith, I'll definitely test the powder weights in indexing mode, thanks for the tip.

                    Knucklehead, I have double charged a few rifle cases in the loading block because I forgot to move the funnel too. Fortunately the rifle cases I've reloaded for are full enough with a single charge that it would be impossible to double charge them, but then it is a balancing act to get it over the powder jug to dump it back in without spilling the powder.

                    BruinGuy, thankfully I have hardwood floors so cleanup wasn't too bad. I'm sure getting the powder out of the carpet can be a fun experience, especially if it's a shag type of carpet. What I was able to sweep up went onto the grass so it should be happily greening up in that spot now.

                    DSMeyer, I've been fortunate so far in that I haven't had to pull a batch of bullets. I'm quite sure that is coming though and I'll be in the same shoes you were, whacking away with the bullet hammer. I'm glad you discovered your error before you took a range trip.

                    It's those moments of D'oh! that keep us humble. They are very frustrating when they happen but they do make you laugh when you look back on them. LOL

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                    • #11
                      Black Majik
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 9695

                      LOL nice. funny story too.

                      Just wait until you empty the leftover powder in the powder measure into the incorrect jug....

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                      • #12
                        rcschummers
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 1249

                        I was just reading through your thread again laughing about the yes yes yes comment and thought of when my hands were doing the same thing and I deprimed my index fingernail, ouch.
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                        • #13
                          Faded
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 418

                          Lol funny story.... I did the "let's change the charge disk" and forgot to turn off the powder measure. That won't happen again (I hope).
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                          • #14
                            Divernhunter
                            Calguns Addict
                            • May 2010
                            • 8753

                            Black majik----Especially when it is a new 8lb jug of powder
                            Did it once and never again. I was trying to speed up loading test rounds of different powders. Got me the dumb-as* award of the month.

                            If I have to pull more than 5 rounds I use my Collet Bullet Puller. Much faster/easier and easier to save the powder if I want to.
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                            • #15
                              Eljay
                              Veteran Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 4985

                              Most minor oops with these things seem to involve dumping powder somewhere.

                              Today I was making some test loads to chrono, so I was using it in turret mode but instead of the autodisk I was weighing the powder and then dumping into the funnel. And if the case isn't in the up position and you dump the powder into the funnel it just dumps on through the die, maybe a little will land in the case but basically it goes everywhere.

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